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Post by Dear Employers Please Register on Jul 20, 2011 9:43:13 GMT -5
I would think that ES would be a win-win, if used properly. Sure, as an employer you'd get a lot of CV's/requests to look through, but you can be picky and just talk to a few top picks. Schedule extra time with them, even. When you really like a candidate at ASA's you can flag the application later on in the process. If people don't get ES interviews at a place where they requested one, then they know to either not apply there, or to be sure to tailor their application better when they do apply. Plus I would think it would boost morale to have more employers register with ES. Everyone I talked to who did it last year found ES helpful in some way, even if some interviews were duds.
Then again, maybe I am just naive.
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Post by jobspartan on Jul 21, 2011 14:33:10 GMT -5
Speaking of the number of employers signed up? Does anyone know if the candidate number refers to the number of job seekers who signed up for the service?
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Post by wow on Jul 21, 2011 14:45:06 GMT -5
I was told by one school that there are over 300 candidates in the ES pool. (He will only be interviewing 15).
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Post by worrisome on Jul 21, 2011 16:40:36 GMT -5
I am pretty much just a worrier, but it worries me that I am not going to ASA this year. How much of an advantage do these ES people get over those who aren't going? Is it a huge advantage?
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Post by waste on Jul 21, 2011 18:09:11 GMT -5
Paying $140 to potentially have the opportunity to talk to someone for 20 minutes doesn't seem like much of an advantage at the moment.
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Post by Big waste on Jul 22, 2011 2:04:14 GMT -5
It depends who you are and whether the schools who interview appeal to you. But in general, I think you pay a fair amount of money for access to a small number of schools, some of which may already be filled with interviewees, meaning you get to talk to even fewer. The one time I did it, I had 3 interviews, none of which ever lead to anythign.
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Post by whoa nelly on Jul 22, 2011 2:28:48 GMT -5
Come on people, the fee for ES is not that high! You're talking conference fee plus ES fee. If the only purpose to attend ASA is to do ES and you have no interest in going to talks or workshops or meeting interesting sociologists (or presenting your own stuff), then you need to really rethink why you're trying to get a job in this field in the first place.
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Post by dont worry on Jul 22, 2011 2:37:15 GMT -5
whoa nelly here again. worrisome, I agree with waste and big waste: I don't think you should worry. If your only goal is attending the employment services, no you're not missing a lot. But if you're *already* going to ASA's and you're on the market, then doing an interview can be a useful exercise, get your head in the game, and provide contact with employer(s).
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Post by anon on Jul 22, 2011 20:30:56 GMT -5
The employment service candidate numbers start at 100
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Post by aaaaaaaa on Jul 22, 2011 21:04:01 GMT -5
I think that the biggest advantage of doing the employment service is that you learn particulars about the position that you normally wouldn't get from the ad.
two examples from when I did it a few years ago: there was a public policy and public administration position open, and on the interview I learned that they were much more interested in the administration part of things, with a heavy practice focus. That allowed me to tailor my application more towards the management and evaluation side than the political sociology side, and I got an interview.
Another was a methods position, and in the ES interview I learned that they were only going to consider people who had taught a particular methods class before. It saved me time from applying to it.
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Post by Newish Prof on Jul 23, 2011 21:14:01 GMT -5
Faculty at my top 10 dept told us all not to bother with the ES... then two of us got jobs through it. Sure, we may have made the fly out cut anyways, but anyone who thinks it doesn't help much to add your face and personality to your application packet among the stacks of packets either 1) doesn't understand the social psychology of hiring committees, or 2) doesn't think much of their own personality.
Of course, sometimes you go to things like that and its a big waste of time. That's the gamble of the job market... but if you can also get your mentors to line up informal meetings at ASA with other hiring depts (all the top depts do this on the down low), then you'll have something besides the ES (and gambling) to do there.
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Post by anon on Jul 29, 2011 7:17:05 GMT -5
How many programs are interviewing at ASA? Are there any R1 programs using the ASA Employment service?
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Post by Allie on Jul 31, 2011 20:29:39 GMT -5
I am a newbie and I got an ES interview with NKU. How do I know where the interview is? Am I missing something on the website or will that info be forthcoming? Anyone have any idea?
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Post by on the website on Jul 31, 2011 23:40:47 GMT -5
I am a newbie and I got an ES interview with NKU. How do I know where the interview is? Am I missing something on the website or will that info be forthcoming? Anyone have any idea? From es.asanet.org/espubs/AboutUs.aspx -- Interview Location"All initial interview appointments arranged through the Employment Service must take place on-site within the designated Interview Room service area at Caesars Palace Las Vegas. This requirement is a safeguard for both interviewers and candidates." Good luck with your interview!
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Post by gyst on Aug 1, 2011 9:25:49 GMT -5
How many programs are interviewing at ASA? Are there any R1 programs using the ASA Employment service? R1s don't generally use ES. The chairs or key faculty of top 10 depts usually have informal talks with potential candidates. And those are often arranged between department chairs who give each other a heads up on their top students. Some of those talks might also happen at department receptions to which candidates are invited. there are of course other R1s but they still do things more informally.
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