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Post by anon on Aug 27, 2011 8:44:56 GMT -5
@guido--I'm a demographer in a postdoc, which means (for most of us), a combination of less teaching (pop institutes often "protect" time in grad school) and signalling toward a research trajectory. I am lucky in that I have had a lot of time to do research, but I also enjoy teaching and did not realize while in grad school that this would work against me. This is not a "poor me" situation. I am okay with my choices, and I look forward to teaching wherever I end up. As I said, I prefer at this point to focus on the places where I think I have the best choice. I am applying to a couple of SLACs where I think I have a better chance of being considered, and there are plenty of research universities I am also excited about.
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Post by guido on Aug 27, 2011 9:17:44 GMT -5
anon-- OK, that makes sense now. I'm pretty open -- I really enjoy both teaching and research (plus, I really want a job). I'm applying to a broad range of places, partly because of my openness, and partly because I don't know how I'll stack up on the market. I designed and taught two courses during grad school and got positive evaluations. I have several publications. Two on which I'm second author are in really good journals, but two sole-authored are in specialty journals. I suspect that my CV isn't R1 material, but I don't know whether it's SLAC material, either. I'm at a top-20 department, so I don't know how that will factor in, either.
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Post by anon on Aug 27, 2011 11:32:48 GMT -5
@guido--Good luck! You sound like you are in a great position, either for a SLAC or a research institution. It's hard to know what will happen, and a lot depends on fit...
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Post by guido on Aug 27, 2011 12:05:00 GMT -5
@guido--Good luck! You sound like you are in a great position, either for a SLAC or a research institution. It's hard to know what will happen, and a lot depends on fit... Thanks. I hope you're right. I should add, though, that part of my anxiety comes from the fact that my area of expertise not exactly one of the most popular of sought after (there have only been one or two even mentioning it so far in this year's job ads).
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Post by newby on Sept 21, 2011 10:52:54 GMT -5
This is a process question. I am wondering how talking to a school at the employment service influences the interviewing process later on- do the schools you met with in Vegas set up phone interviews with you later? How do phone interviews compare with the ASA interviews? I am sure in some cases, if the ES didn't go well, then it knocks you off a list but is the opposite true - can it move you to the top of the list?
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Post by me too on Sept 21, 2011 11:04:35 GMT -5
newby -- I've wondered the same thing. I suspect that phone interviews are similar to the ES interviews, but obviously a bit longer and likely with some more specific questions. As to how it influences the process, I don't know a lot. I suspect it depends on how your ES interview went and whether they have questions that weren't addressed during the interview. I have been in touch with one department I interviewed with in Vegas, and they told me that their phone interview list may or may not include people that they interviewed through the ES, and that not being on that list doesn't necessarily mean you're out of consideration. Maybe if your interview went well and they got everything they need, they won't interview you by phone, and you might still get a campus interview?
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Post by yep on Sept 21, 2011 11:19:35 GMT -5
I did the ES a while back, but given this vs. other places where I had a phone interview before a campus visit, the content should be about the same. I could see a department asking you to do a phone interview if someone on the search committee hadn't attended conference interviews, but otherwise it seems a bit redundant, because the longest phone interview I've ever had was about 30 minutes. YMMV.
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Post by yayaya on Sept 21, 2011 11:44:48 GMT -5
In my experience (13 ES interviews over 2 years, 5 phone interviews over the same period), ES interviews are actually very different from phone interviews.
ES interviews tend to follow a similar pattern: the SC member describes the institution, describes what they are looking for, do a bit of selling of their position, ask you to describe your research/teaching and why you would be a good fit. They only have had access to some limited info on you and your application.
Phone interviews involve more people, are generally more structured, and ask more specific questions. There is no "selling" on their part at that point, and they've read your materials. So I've had questions about what I saw as the mission of their specific institutional type, specific questions about what text books and materials I would use to teach specific classes, as well as very specific questions about my CV.
And remember, the phone interview will likely include the entire search committee, not just the one or two people you saw at the ES.
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