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Post by question on Apr 22, 2014 8:18:44 GMT -5
my apologies, i confused two different forums. There were not deletions.
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Post by ElDuderino on Jun 2, 2014 15:12:38 GMT -5
As more and more fall 2015 positions are being announced, I will be creating the subforums for 14-15 some time this week, and moving the 13-14 ones to the archives subforum. Just wanted to give a heads up so people know that nothing is being deleted.
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Post by Archivist on Jul 7, 2014 11:56:04 GMT -5
We have established norms here against discussing personnel decisions/conflicts about specific individuals unless the issues have already been aired in the public realm. Somebody who lost a contract is presumably now active on the market, so let's allow him/her to deal with appeals or applications without receiving further scrutiny here.
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Post by yourelosingme on Jul 9, 2014 8:27:04 GMT -5
We have established norms here against discussing personnel decisions/conflicts about specific individuals unless the issues have already been aired in the public realm. Somebody who lost a contract is presumably now active on the market, so let's allow him/her to deal with appeals or applications without receiving further scrutiny here. The list of things that must not be discussed on this forum is getting pretty long. Maybe it'd be easier to type up a list of discussion topics that are permissible. |
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Post by ElDuderino on Jul 9, 2014 8:42:04 GMT -5
We have established norms here against discussing personnel decisions/conflicts about specific individuals unless the issues have already been aired in the public realm. Somebody who lost a contract is presumably now active on the market, so let's allow him/her to deal with appeals or applications without receiving further scrutiny here. The list of things that must not be discussed on this forum is getting pretty long. Maybe it'd be easier to type up a list of discussion topics that are permissible. Actually, the list of what should not be discussed on this forum is pretty short. People shouldn't use this forum to anonymously attack named individuals. This includes discussing whether a particular person deserves a job, being fired, etc. The only exception to this is in issues where information is in the public record. And by that I mean the entire information, and not just whether someone got a job or was fired. This is the way this forum has been run since before I took over, so this is not a new rule. And since almost everybody posts here anonymously, the desire to respect people's privacy is something I am pretty sure everybody understands. |
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Post by you'relosingme on Jul 9, 2014 9:11:59 GMT -5
The list of things that must not be discussed on this forum is getting pretty long. Maybe it'd be easier to type up a list of discussion topics that are permissible. Actually, the list of what should not be discussed on this forum is pretty short. People shouldn't use this forum to anonymously attack named individuals. This includes discussing whether a particular person deserves a job, being fired, etc. The only exception to this is in issues where information is in the public record. And by that I mean the entire information, and not just whether someone got a job or was fired. This is the way this forum has been run since before I took over, so this is not a new rule. And since almost everybody posts here anonymously, the desire to respect people's privacy is something I am pretty sure everybody understands. Archivist deleted a thread about an issue that was in the public record. So, did Archivist overmod? |
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Post by ElDuderino on Jul 9, 2014 9:43:07 GMT -5
Actually, the list of what should not be discussed on this forum is pretty short. People shouldn't use this forum to anonymously attack named individuals. This includes discussing whether a particular person deserves a job, being fired, etc. The only exception to this is in issues where information is in the public record. And by that I mean the entire information, and not just whether someone got a job or was fired. This is the way this forum has been run since before I took over, so this is not a new rule. And since almost everybody posts here anonymously, the desire to respect people's privacy is something I am pretty sure everybody understands. Archivist deleted a thread about an issue that was in the public record. So, did Archivist overmod? That person's firing was in the public record. The reasons for it were not, and the thread quickly turned to mocking said person's research as a way of justifying that firing. |
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Post by yourelosingme on Jul 9, 2014 11:16:34 GMT -5
Ok, so not allowed to talk about the quality of a person's scholarship as a reason for being hired/fired. Got it. Thanks.
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Post by opnogood on Jul 9, 2014 11:27:55 GMT -5
By bringing attention to this, Archivist ensured the case he censored ended up on SJMR minutes later.
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Post by Grateful on Jul 9, 2014 15:40:33 GMT -5
Every once and a while, the folks moderating this site get some flack. I would like to balance this out be saying I've very thankful for their efforts to keep the discussions civil.
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Post by yourelosingme on Jul 9, 2014 15:56:17 GMT -5
Every once and a while, the folks moderating this site get some flack. I would like to balance this out be saying I've very thankful for their efforts to keep the discussions civil. That's sweet. Seriously, let us know when you're ready to sit at the grown-up table, where everyone isn't always civil all the time and every discussion or critique does not have to be balanced out to be permissible. |
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Post by idonotunderstand on Jul 9, 2014 16:09:44 GMT -5
I guess I don't understand what all the hubbub is about. If some people don't like the way that Archivist and ElDuderino are running the site, then they can indeed use the other site. Why can't we just recognize that there are different preferences and different options? And if someone wants to go start a third site, go for it! But what's the point of harassing the culture of this site?
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Post by yourelosingme on Jul 9, 2014 17:22:14 GMT -5
I guess I don't understand what all the hubbub is about. If some people don't like the way that Archivist and ElDuderino are running the site, then they can indeed use the other site. Why can't we just recognize that there are different preferences and different options? And if someone wants to go start a third site, go for it! But what's the point of harassing the culture of this site? You're absolutely right. I apologize. The other board is just way more active and interesting. Sure, some of the status-obsessed and obnoxious posts there bother me, but I think I prefer that more than what's going on on this board. Which, let's be honest, isn't much. And that's the way the moderators want it. Peace out- |
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Post by ElDuderino on Jul 9, 2014 17:31:12 GMT -5
Every once and a while, the folks moderating this site get some flack. I would like to balance this out be saying I've very thankful for their efforts to keep the discussions civil. That's sweet. Seriously, let us know when you're ready to sit at the grown-up table, where everyone isn't always civil all the time and every discussion or critique does not have to be balanced out to be permissible. This has nothing to do with civility. I don't think that attacking people online, while remaining anonymous, is exactly being "grown up." Just like I wouldn't use the endless attempts to troll here as an example of maturity. In any case, this isn't a competition. If all you are interested in is discussing how a specific person doesn't deserve a job, this isn't the place for you. Not to mention, of course, the self interested part of this. People are more likely to share names and participate if they know that people aren't simply going to tear down whoever they name. The fact that so many search committee members participate here is an example of that. In any case, this is not the first time this issue comes up, and the answer won't change any time soon. |
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Post by yourelosingme on Jul 9, 2014 17:45:39 GMT -5
That's sweet. Seriously, let us know when you're ready to sit at the grown-up table, where everyone isn't always civil all the time and every discussion or critique does not have to be balanced out to be permissible. This has nothing to do with civility. I don't think that attacking people online, while remaining anonymous, is exactly being "grown up." Just like I wouldn't use the endless attempts to troll here as an example of maturity. In any case, this isn't a competition. If all you are interested in is discussing how a specific person doesn't deserve a job, this isn't the place for you. Not to mention, of course, the self interested part of this. People are more likely to share names and participate if they know that people aren't simply going to tear down whoever they name. The fact that so many search committee members participate here is an example of that. In any case, this is not the first time this issue comes up, and the answer won't change any time soon. See my previous post. You're right, I apologize for trolling y'all. Today I learned that I prefer SJMR, with its warts and all. It's just a lot more interesting and there are real conversations about sociology happening over there. I'll still check in every now and then to see if I've missed any job postings, but that's about it. Peace out- |
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