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Post by um on Jul 25, 2012 6:01:43 GMT -5
I don't think that's what the poster meant to say. It's very common for the R1 search committees to send out tentacles to advisor networks, not students, to set up informal meetings at ASAs, and it sounds like the poster has been quite successful with that avenue in the past. Yes, there is some of that going on as usual, and not everyone is getting these invitations as usual.
ES is mainly for other types of jobs these days. I agree, I've been disappointed by the high level of specialization of the positions so far, almost none fit me. I imagine the two or three that are more open as to specialty are inundated with requests right now.
Last year there was a discussion here of the number of jobs posted in ES; if memory serves, it has dropped from 90 or so listed positions to the teens or twenties just within the last five years, so we are on pace with the recent plummet. It is becoming quite a financial liability to plan to travel for ES not knowing what jobs will post through the service.
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Post by jcbnmr1979 on Jul 25, 2012 8:31:50 GMT -5
You realize that people are busy at conferences right? Why would you think they want to spend more of their time with you, especially if they already set aside time for the es. Pretty presumptuous, and honestly I'd be offended and think that you feel you are entitled if you contacted me to meet about a job when I had no relationship with you. [/quote] There are lots of schools that don't do the ES. Several of the interviews I arranged informal chats with last year were with departments that weren't posted on the ES, but who had posted their position announcements. Further, bigger departments may have people who are attending the conference, but maybe not hosting chats at the ES- we applicants can't possibly know this. The chats aren't always about making me a better candidate. I use the chats to get a sense of the people at a department before I apply. For example, if I had emailed you and you sent me such a response, I would seriously consider whether your department is one where I would want to work. For me, such non-collegiality to a stranger and potential future co-worker sends up red flags about you and your department. If you're willing to be so dismissive of a stranger (who had done nothing to you other than send an email), I can't imagine what you would say to a co-worker who doesn't share your opinion of yourself.
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Post by Guest1000 on Jul 25, 2012 9:19:12 GMT -5
Is anyone else having trouble navigating the Employment Service website? I often get an error message when I click on the tabs on the left.
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Post by sc member on Jul 25, 2012 9:43:12 GMT -5
Go back to the main ASA page and sign in again.
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Post by socyuser on Jul 25, 2012 12:48:51 GMT -5
E033-01 Texas Christian University E028-01 College of the Holy Cross
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Post by read into things much on Jul 25, 2012 14:22:49 GMT -5
There are lots of schools that don't do the ES. Several of the interviews I arranged informal chats with last year were with departments that weren't posted on the ES, but who had posted their position announcements. Further, bigger departments may have people who are attending the conference, but maybe not hosting chats at the ES- we applicants can't possibly know this. The chats aren't always about making me a better candidate. I use the chats to get a sense of the people at a department before I apply. For example, if I had emailed you and you sent me such a response, I would seriously consider whether your department is one where I would want to work. For me, such non-collegiality to a stranger and potential future co-worker sends up red flags about you and your department. If you're willing to be so dismissive of a stranger (who had done nothing to you other than send an email), I can't imagine what you would say to a co-worker who doesn't share your opinion of yourself. [/quote] Umm, if I'm a faculty who is at the ES but not on the search committee, why would I meet with you? If I'm on the search committee but we're not doing any search stuff at ASA, why would I meet with you? If I'm a faculty member and I am doing informal interviews and I get 50 requests (or even 20!), why would I fulfill them all--that's a lot of random people to meet and schedule. Further, it's a lot easier to be blunt to a random person than to someone in your department. Being blunt about interviewing isn't necessarily remotely related to how someone is as a colleague. Honestly, some of the most polite emails I send to random people who reach out to me only come after I've given my computer the finger a couple times and cursed random person for writing such a (inane/vague/poorly written) email. Some of the least polite emails I send are to friends. FURTHER, the poster you replied to didn't say anything about how they'd handle the email, just that they might not be willing to meet. The email to random sociology job applicant might actually be very courteous.
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Post by Cant go on Jul 25, 2012 15:04:13 GMT -5
Circumstances make it difficult for me to go to ASAs this year and so unfortunately I won't be participating in the ES. Am I ruining my chances on the market this year for not going? I appreciate any input.
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Post by anon on Jul 25, 2012 15:28:33 GMT -5
No! Not at all. A couple years ago, I did 13 interviews at ASA. Only 1 turned into an actual job interview. I was not offered that job, however.
That same year, I was offered 5 jobs, none of which I interviewed for at ASA.
I realize I'm a sample size of only one, but I imagine my story is pretty common. Indeed, I'd imagine that very few hires start with ASA interviews.
That said, I found the ASA interviews to be good practice for the real thing. So, you are missing out on that experience.
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Post by jcbnmr1979 on Jul 25, 2012 15:56:57 GMT -5
I am not begrudging anyone the right to say no to an email request for a chat. I was simply trying to compare my experience to others who might be in the same situation. Having only done this one other time (last year's ASA in Vegas), I only had the experience with which to compare my current experience. That is what I asked for. What I got was two different people weighing in on how presumptuous and entitled I am.
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Post by anonnn on Jul 25, 2012 16:11:58 GMT -5
It is pretty presumptuous. By the way how's that working out for you? I guess not so well since this is the second year you're trying it. Maybe you shouldn't be so picky and should still consider applying to places where someone was so rude they wouldn't give you an interview at your request. I am not begrudging anyone the right to say no to an email request for a chat. I was simply trying to compare my experience to others who might be in the same situation. Having only done this one other time (last year's ASA in Vegas), I only had the experience with which to compare my current experience. That is what I asked for. What I got was two different people weighing in on how presumptuous and entitled I am.
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Post by jcbnmr1979 on Jul 25, 2012 21:01:36 GMT -5
It is pretty presumptuous. By the way how's that working out for you? I guess not so well since this is the second year you're trying it. Maybe you shouldn't be so picky and should still consider applying to places where someone was so rude they wouldn't give you an interview at your request. Actually, its working out great! Two places I had informal chats with last year at ASA requested interviews (I declined because I had taken an early post-doc). I already have a handful of chats this year. So, should be good. Thanks!
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Post by socyuser on Jul 25, 2012 22:29:50 GMT -5
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Post by socyuser on Jul 26, 2012 21:09:42 GMT -5
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Post by lurker on Jul 26, 2012 22:03:05 GMT -5
Lurker--you landed interviews through the ES once the ASAs started? How long ago was that? I ask because I just missed the deadline to pre-register for the annual meeting and hence the ES this year, and am wondering what to do. I can register for the ES on-site now, but am worried that all the meetings will already be set up by then. idk I participated in the ES in Boston (2008) and San Francisco (2009). I believe that it was only in SF that I was contacted after arrival. However, it was no more than one or two interviews. I don't want to give the impression that I was racking up interviews, but it is possible to get some. Perhaps others have had similar experiences?
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Post by breathe on Jul 27, 2012 10:09:20 GMT -5
Any other departments scheduling meetings yet at ASA?
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