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Post by regional snob on Jul 9, 2013 19:25:03 GMT -5
Not to generalize, but there are a few southern states I think most would be fine with (ex: MD, VA, NC) and metro areas in many others I'd personally be excited about (ex: Dallas/Houston, TX; Atlanta/Savannah, GA; Columbia/Charleston, SC).. but Mississippi and Alabama are two that I'd look to avoid at almost all costs. FWIW I'd probably look to avoid more states/metros in the midwest..
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Post by um ok on Jul 9, 2013 21:13:39 GMT -5
Not to generalize, but there are a few southern states I think most would be fine with (ex: MD, VA, NC) and metro areas in many others I'd personally be excited about (ex: Dallas/Houston, TX; Atlanta/Savannah, GA; Columbia/Charleston, SC).. but Mississippi and Alabama are two that I'd look to avoid at almost all costs. FWIW I'd probably look to avoid more states/metros in the midwest.. ^^ Yeah, there's no generalizations at all here ^^
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Post by regional knownothing on Jul 10, 2013 8:51:07 GMT -5
Since when is Maryland considered part of the south?
Hint: The answer is never.
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Post by suba on Jul 10, 2013 9:49:33 GMT -5
If you're using the Mason-Dixon line as your guide, Maryland is in the South. The Census counts Maryland as a southern state, too.
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Post by actually on Jul 10, 2013 10:51:55 GMT -5
Maryland has *always* been considered part of the south. While I agree that culturally it increasingly embodies aspects of the northeast, this is simply one of the chief reasons why it tends to be among the more desirable southern states for snobby liberal-progressive types. :-)
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Post by Annoyed Southerner on Jul 10, 2013 11:51:27 GMT -5
The fact is that most of don't have that much control over where we live if we want to do this academic thing. The best case scenario is choosing between a small number of options. In that context, I'm sure you could do worse than Starkville, especially considering that's actually a decent school that can help advance your career.
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MD is not the fucking south
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Post by MD is not the fucking south on Jul 10, 2013 11:58:02 GMT -5
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Post by the census hah on Jul 10, 2013 12:16:04 GMT -5
The Census puts Michigan in the same southern region with Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi, and Tennessee. No Southerner would ever consider Maryland or Michigan as part of the south.
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Post by drbearjew on Jul 10, 2013 12:21:04 GMT -5
Maryland had Jim Crow, and Maryland waited until right before Loving v Virginia to repeal their anti-miscegenation laws in 1967, which struck down laws in most Southern states at that time (other states in the Mid-Atlantic either never had these laws on the books, or repealed them long before 1967). Maryland also has significantly more recorded lynchings than any of the Mid-Atlantic States.
Granted, this is sort of a silly debate, but whether you define the South by its Civil War boundaries, by its history, by its contemporary racial rule, or by its cultural influence (past and present), Maryland has a great deal of Southern elements.
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Post by wha? on Jul 10, 2013 12:43:11 GMT -5
The census puts Michigan in the Midwest, my friend (http://www.census.gov/econ/census07/www/geography/regions_and_divisions.html).
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Post by alum on Jul 10, 2013 12:52:12 GMT -5
The department at Mississippi State is a very strong department. The department had two people who moved to other jobs and one who left the year before last for another career. there is a lot of turnover in the department not because of the school but because Starkville is not the most attractive city in the US. However, all the people in the department are very strong researchers and genuinely good people. there are a lot worse places to be than Mississippi State. If you are interested in issues such as race and inequality I would feel this would be the perfect place to be. Mississippi has the largest black population of any state in the union and has the largest amount of inequality. The delta region of Mississippi, which is a 2 hour drive from Starkville is one of the poorest regions in the United States. If you are serious about research in poverty, inequality, or race one should definitely consider Mississippi State. The criminology program at Mississippi State has many strong researchers both quantitative and qualitative. The professors also often work with graduate students and many professors have dual appointments with the Social Science Research Center, which help with obtaining grants and you would have access to a lot of modern technology. I have benefited tremendously from my experience at Mississippi State as a graduate student.
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Post by Marylander on Jul 10, 2013 13:28:19 GMT -5
I agree that it's a silly discussion, but having lived in Maryland for more than a decade, I'll throw in my two cents. Whatever region the census puts Maryland in, and wherever it is in relation to the Mason-Dixie line (below), it is not a southern state from a cultural standpoint. I would argue that this is true even for southern Maryland.
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Post by now we know on Jul 10, 2013 14:01:13 GMT -5
Well, at least we know that it is summer on the discussion board now.
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Post by suba on Jul 10, 2013 14:01:39 GMT -5
In arguing why you might classify Maryland as a southern state, I was not saying that Maryland is in fact a southern state. I was (as I imagine others were, too) challenging regional knownothing's argument that Maryland has never been considered a southern state. That's patently untrue, as other posters have commented.
The truth is, regional boundaries are social constructions. Many Californians consider Ohio an eastern state. Most east coasters scoff at that idea. And Ohioans differ in their self-classifications depending on where they live in the state. There is no one right way to classify a state's region. That's why, as others have noted, this is a silly discussion. And also why it is silly (and historically inaccurate) to claim that Maryland is and has never been a southern state.
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Post by actually on Jul 10, 2013 15:28:05 GMT -5
@ MD is not the fucking south, I guess according to your wikipedia link, Virginia is not a southern state either. LOL.
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