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Post by phone on Jan 31, 2024 13:59:23 GMT -5
It's remarkable how little empathy there is for this process from people who have gone through it. One of my rejection letters (obviously a "send all") stated that the committee decided that I do not have the necessary qualifications. Maybe word it differently when you know most of who receive it are (soon-to-be) PhDs who are definitely qualified. I'm ABD at a department that's also hiring and when I mentioned they can at least update people's statuses on Interfolio when candidates don't make the long list, the person said it hadn't occurred to them that applicants worry that much about their status after they had sent in the application. I agree, but I also know that at many institutions the administration restricts how and when the search committee is allowed to contact candidates who do not get the job. From personal experience, I can say that I have never received a phone call about a rejection. Some of the emails I got about rejections were personalized a bit, but most were just form emails probably written by the University HR department. It's unfortunate, but it's definitely not the fault of the departments or individual faculty. They're usually just following the University's rules. Also, I personally wouldn't want to receive a phone call telling me I was rejected from a job. It would be way too awkward for everyone involved and I would momentarily get my hopes up that I got the job if I was getting a call from someone at an institution where I interviewed. When I got a job, I got a phone call and that was my instant assumption when I saw the caller ID of who was calling. It would be really heartbreaking to have those hopes crushed by the person saying "hey we really liked you but gave the job to someone else. Bye." I got a phone call rejection after a flyout. Sure, it was awkward, but I really appreciated it. The department actually seemed to care about people, which just made me more depressed that they didn't pick me.
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Post by messaging on Jan 31, 2024 18:48:31 GMT -5
The last time I chaired a search committee, I gave each candidate a short debriefing at the conclusion of the campus visit. I told each one that I would contact them after a hiring decision had been made. If that came as a phone call, it would be good news. If it came as an email, it would not be good news.
I honestly don’t know if this helped them or not.
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Post by Guest123 on Feb 1, 2024 1:47:14 GMT -5
The last time I chaired a search committee, I gave each candidate a short debriefing at the conclusion of the campus visit. I told each one that I would contact them after a hiring decision had been made. If that came as a phone call, it would be good news. If it came as an email, it would not be good news. I honestly don’t know if this helped them or not. As someone who has been on both sides of your call/email, I think this is the best way to do it. For one search awhile back where I was a finalist, I was told by the department chair they would call me right after the vote. Faculty deadlocked on candidates and decided to cancel the search. Chair had to tell me over the phone about this and it was perhaps one of the most awkward phone calls I have ever had to take, as it sounded like the chair was exasperated about everything as well. (I thought that the instructions to call me meant that the chair thought it was likely going to be an offer). Would have preferred a "we will contact you in some form" then gently email back a rejection than a totally weird phone call where your hopes are high only to be shattered and have to verbally respond in the heat of the moment.
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Post by 11111 on Feb 1, 2024 8:21:02 GMT -5
The last time I chaired a search committee, I gave each candidate a short debriefing at the conclusion of the campus visit. I told each one that I would contact them after a hiring decision had been made. If that came as a phone call, it would be good news. If it came as an email, it would not be good news. I honestly don’t know if this helped them or not. I think that is the best way to do it. Just be direct. Even if you have "HR" giving you rules to follow about not contacting candidates, then you can just say that. "We have to make a decision in 2 weeks and if you don't hear from us then it's likely bad news." This process is so terrible for candidates and search committees could collectively act a lot better. It really wouldnt take much more than basic decency.
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Post by Crazy on Feb 28, 2024 17:45:23 GMT -5
How there are very little TT jobs right now. You are all in my thoughts and fingers crossed
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Post by Jobless ABD on Feb 29, 2024 11:01:04 GMT -5
I wonder how many of us are getting PhDs in the spring/summer with nowhere to go. What are your contingency plans?
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Post by career over on Feb 29, 2024 17:14:07 GMT -5
Postdoc funding running out this summer. I had a decent amount of interviews/flyouts but no offers. My academic career is over. I am trying to scramble to find something to pay the bills at this point. I knew it was unlikely that I would get a TT job, but it's still very sad to officially be here.
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Post by Not over on Mar 2, 2024 15:59:27 GMT -5
Postdoc funding running out this summer. I had a decent amount of interviews/flyouts but no offers. My academic career is over. I am trying to scramble to find something to pay the bills at this point. I knew it was unlikely that I would get a TT job, but it's still very sad to officially be here. You can keep trying while working another job!
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Post by Lol on Mar 2, 2024 18:22:17 GMT -5
Postdoc funding running out this summer. I had a decent amount of interviews/flyouts but no offers. My academic career is over. I am trying to scramble to find something to pay the bills at this point. I knew it was unlikely that I would get a TT job, but it's still very sad to officially be here. You can keep trying while working another job! Good one!
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Post by Let’s be real on Mar 2, 2024 21:35:40 GMT -5
Postdoc funding running out this summer. I had a decent amount of interviews/flyouts but no offers. My academic career is over. I am trying to scramble to find something to pay the bills at this point. I knew it was unlikely that I would get a TT job, but it's still very sad to officially be here. You can keep trying while working another job! Unless the job enables you to publish and beef up your CV - there’s no coming back.
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Post by possible on Mar 2, 2024 22:19:04 GMT -5
You can keep trying while working another job! Unless the job enables you to publish and beef up your CV - there’s no coming back. I wouldn't say it's common, but it's not impossible. I know someone who got a TT job this year after taking an industry job in the previous cycle.
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Post by yeah on Mar 2, 2024 22:21:26 GMT -5
You can keep trying while working another job! Unless the job enables you to publish and beef up your CV - there’s no coming back. the more powerful the eyes upon you, if you're not somehow mustering the strength to publish into what feels like a black hole while in the lowest deadzone of your "career" (e.g. working elsewhere w/ a phd to pay bills above water, adjuncting at 3-4 different places simultaneously while absolutely bordering on poverty, just occupying any significant employment gap), the more you're looked at as unworthy/Untouchable, yep. to take another step, if we're being real, on some level, much of all this is there to justify the successes of those who are more hooked up & better tracked from their day 1.
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Post by Hiello on Mar 2, 2024 22:37:12 GMT -5
Unless the job enables you to publish and beef up your CV - there’s no coming back. I wouldn't say it's common, but it's not impossible. I know someone who got a TT job this year after taking an industry job in the previous cycle. [ Exactly. It’s incredibly challenging for sure, but it does not mean it is 100% over.
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where do we go from here?
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Post by where do we go from here? on Mar 7, 2024 18:01:57 GMT -5
Postdoc funding running out this summer. I had a decent amount of interviews/flyouts but no offers. My academic career is over. I am trying to scramble to find something to pay the bills at this point. I knew it was unlikely that I would get a TT job, but it's still very sad to officially be here. feeling the same way. my mentors told me not to actually panic until April but it already feels over, so much wasted potential.
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Post by Random on Mar 7, 2024 22:29:16 GMT -5
Postdoc funding running out this summer. I had a decent amount of interviews/flyouts but no offers. My academic career is over. I am trying to scramble to find something to pay the bills at this point. I knew it was unlikely that I would get a TT job, but it's still very sad to officially be here. feeling the same way. my mentors told me not to actually panic until April but it already feels over, so much wasted potential. There are just too many qualified applicants and not nearly enough jobs. You have to be lucky to get a tenure track job these days. Not everyone can be lucky :/
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