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Post by Prof on Jan 2, 2024 19:57:31 GMT -5
I don't know! Really depends on what happens with my partner and if I can find another year of funding for my postdoc. Lots of chaos and uncertainty. What are you thinking of doing? I’m a faculty, but idk if I’d recommend going into academia!
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Post by idk123 on Jan 4, 2024 8:31:31 GMT -5
I don't know! Really depends on what happens with my partner and if I can find another year of funding for my postdoc. Lots of chaos and uncertainty. What are you thinking of doing? I’m a faculty, but idk if I’d recommend going into academia! I wouldn't recommend it either lol. I need to more seriously look for other options instead of just looking at tech companies (those jobs did not worth the $$ for me).
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Post by Goodluck! on Jan 4, 2024 20:32:22 GMT -5
I’m a faculty, but idk if I’d recommend going into academia! I wouldn't recommend it either lol. I need to more seriously look for other options instead of just looking at tech companies (those jobs did not worth the $$ for me). Yeah, you can still find meaningful work outside of academia. It is just a job after all. I also know lots of folks that are working full-time in tech companies to pay the bills and then maintaining some research productivity in case relevant TT lines pick up. Best of luck in your journey, but also know that you are not missing out on too much if you are in a alt-academy job.
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Post by rottenmilk on Jan 5, 2024 9:48:30 GMT -5
June, July, and August are pretty nice, though. January too.
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Post by anon interviewee on Jan 9, 2024 20:14:06 GMT -5
@cactus I had a campus visit last week and am really struggling with the waiting too. I know I’m in a lucky and privileged position to have a shot at a job in academia. At the same time, the fact that so much hinges on their decision is really hard. I’m trying to exercise, meditate, eat well, and sleep, but I am not getting much done these days. I had a recent interview at what would be a dream job and dream location and also waiting to hear and it's agonizing!! They said I likely wouldn't hear back until after the holidays but just in case I'm checking my email and this board roughly 600 times per day. I keep waking up in the middle of the night for a couple of hours to rehash various convos I had on the interview in my brain. Since this thread and this message board is mostly pretty gloomy (someone wise once told me that you never find out good news from the rumor mill) just wanted to come back to say I got the job!! After over 15 years on the job market- first to find my current TT job for several years, and then trying to find a new job that would put me anywhere close to my family in a place I didn't hate living. And I finally got one! (close to all my family, and not even a step down in school quality, actually comes with a raise even!). I can't tell you how many threads on this message board and the other one and boards that went defunct like over a decade ago are from me posting advice and asking questions and commiserating with people over the years...hundreds if not over a thousand....a lot of the "anon profs" are me lol. I spent over a decade living in a place that is mediocre and lame and now has banned abortion and cut all funding to higher ed. I can't wait to get tf out of here!! I'm going to tell off my provost so hard this semester!!
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Post by Thank you on Jan 9, 2024 23:22:11 GMT -5
Anon, thanks for updating us! I've been trying to leave my current institution for 3 years, and this gives me hope. So so excited for you! liking where you live and where you work will be a game changer. Congrats!
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Post by Yay on Jan 10, 2024 0:22:11 GMT -5
Anon, thanks for updating us! I've been trying to leave my current institution for 3 years, and this gives me hope. So so excited for you! liking where you live and where you work will be a game changer. Congrats! Huge congrats! Make me happy to see someone else happy
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Post by Do I matter? Really? on Jan 16, 2024 12:40:46 GMT -5
While I appreciate these generally positive messages on here, I think it is also important to point out something else: It is hard to feel like we matter when some departments do not treat us like we do. After a flyout visit, a rejection needs to be personalized. While its content does not need to be necessarily, do not make the email so obviously a "send all." We are all busy. Also, do not ghost us, after a flyout. In fact, I think after a flyout, these rejections need to come as phone calls. These rejection emails and phone calls are hard to make, but let's be real, it is overall a way worse experience for the job candidates and we deserve the basic communication and respect.
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Post by We're real people on Jan 16, 2024 13:34:01 GMT -5
While I appreciate these generally positive messages on here, I think it is also important to point out something else: It is hard to feel like we matter when some departments do not treat us like we do. After a flyout visit, a rejection needs to be personalized. While its content does not need to be necessarily, do not make the email so obviously a "send all." We are all busy. Also, do not ghost us, after a flyout. In fact, I think after a flyout, these rejections need to come as phone calls. These rejection emails and phone calls are hard to make, but let's be real, it is overall a way worse experience for the job candidates and we deserve the basic communication and respect. It's remarkable how little empathy there is for this process from people who have gone through it. One of my rejection letters (obviously a "send all") stated that the committee decided that I do not have the necessary qualifications. Maybe word it differently when you know most of who receive it are (soon-to-be) PhDs who are definitely qualified. I'm ABD at a department that's also hiring and when I mentioned they can at least update people's statuses on Interfolio when candidates don't make the long list, the person said it hadn't occurred to them that applicants worry that much about their status after they had sent in the application.
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Post by tortoise on Jan 16, 2024 17:14:54 GMT -5
I had a recent interview at what would be a dream job and dream location and also waiting to hear and it's agonizing!! They said I likely wouldn't hear back until after the holidays but just in case I'm checking my email and this board roughly 600 times per day. I keep waking up in the middle of the night for a couple of hours to rehash various convos I had on the interview in my brain. Since this thread and this message board is mostly pretty gloomy (someone wise once told me that you never find out good news from the rumor mill) just wanted to come back to say I got the job!! After over 15 years on the job market- first to find my current TT job for several years, and then trying to find a new job that would put me anywhere close to my family in a place I didn't hate living. And I finally got one! (close to all my family, and not even a step down in school quality, actually comes with a raise even!). I can't tell you how many threads on this message board and the other one and boards that went defunct like over a decade ago are from me posting advice and asking questions and commiserating with people over the years...hundreds if not over a thousand....a lot of the "anon profs" are me lol. I spent over a decade living in a place that is mediocre and lame and now has banned abortion and cut all funding to higher ed. I can't wait to get tf out of here!! I'm going to tell off my provost so hard this semester!! I am thrilled for you, anon interviewee!! Huge congratulations!!! I got a rejection after my campus visit but knowing that it worked out for you seriously just brightened my day. Enjoy your new gig!!!
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Post by bureaucracy on Jan 16, 2024 17:45:58 GMT -5
While I appreciate these generally positive messages on here, I think it is also important to point out something else: It is hard to feel like we matter when some departments do not treat us like we do. After a flyout visit, a rejection needs to be personalized. While its content does not need to be necessarily, do not make the email so obviously a "send all." We are all busy. Also, do not ghost us, after a flyout. In fact, I think after a flyout, these rejections need to come as phone calls. These rejection emails and phone calls are hard to make, but let's be real, it is overall a way worse experience for the job candidates and we deserve the basic communication and respect. It's remarkable how little empathy there is for this process from people who have gone through it. One of my rejection letters (obviously a "send all") stated that the committee decided that I do not have the necessary qualifications. Maybe word it differently when you know most of who receive it are (soon-to-be) PhDs who are definitely qualified. I'm ABD at a department that's also hiring and when I mentioned they can at least update people's statuses on Interfolio when candidates don't make the long list, the person said it hadn't occurred to them that applicants worry that much about their status after they had sent in the application. I agree, but I also know that at many institutions the administration restricts how and when the search committee is allowed to contact candidates who do not get the job. From personal experience, I can say that I have never received a phone call about a rejection. Some of the emails I got about rejections were personalized a bit, but most were just form emails probably written by the University HR department. It's unfortunate, but it's definitely not the fault of the departments or individual faculty. They're usually just following the University's rules. Also, I personally wouldn't want to receive a phone call telling me I was rejected from a job. It would be way too awkward for everyone involved and I would momentarily get my hopes up that I got the job if I was getting a call from someone at an institution where I interviewed. When I got a job, I got a phone call and that was my instant assumption when I saw the caller ID of who was calling. It would be really heartbreaking to have those hopes crushed by the person saying "hey we really liked you but gave the job to someone else. Bye."
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Post by Teaching Jobs on Jan 17, 2024 15:59:58 GMT -5
At the time of posting this, there have been quite a few posts from (probably) the same person about more teaching-focused positions. This is my first (and only) year on the market. While it was interesting, useful, and somewhat demoralizing to see all of the posts from people about their R1/R2/Research jobs, I did feel a little lost not having updates on teaching positions. Now, I could have easily posted a teaching position, and I did comment when others made ones that applied to me, but I think this forum would benefit from having more people posting about these positions or creating a specific "status of searches" for teaching positions. I feel like this would not only be beneficial to morale and assist teaching candidates in knowing the "current" word about their desired positions, but creating a backlog of these for future years would be invaluable. For example, I applied to my top school and I am currently interviewing with them, but all the information about past searches for them are about their research professorships with no information/timelines for their teaching professorships or even their lecturer positions. While I have already felt lucky enough this cycle (sometimes thanks to this forum and sometimes not), it was cool to see some positions I care about pop up again on the main status of searches forum.
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Post by YeahPrinceSong on Jan 22, 2024 20:19:40 GMT -5
At the time of posting this, there have been quite a few posts from (probably) the same person about more teaching-focused positions. This is my first (and only) year on the market. While it was interesting, useful, and somewhat demoralizing to see all of the posts from people about their R1/R2/Research jobs, I did feel a little lost not having updates on teaching positions. Now, I could have easily posted a teaching position, and I did comment when others made ones that applied to me, but I think this forum would benefit from having more people posting about these positions or creating a specific "status of searches" for teaching positions. I feel like this would not only be beneficial to morale and assist teaching candidates in knowing the "current" word about their desired positions, but creating a backlog of these for future years would be invaluable. For example, I applied to my top school and I am currently interviewing with them, but all the information about past searches for them are about their research professorships with no information/timelines for their teaching professorships or even their lecturer positions. While I have already felt lucky enough this cycle (sometimes thanks to this forum and sometimes not), it was cool to see some positions I care about pop up again on the main status of searches forum. Certainly, as you may be aware, teaching positions are typically posted later than R1/R2/Research jobs. In my experience, early spring is the usual timing for teaching-centered or non-tenure track positions. Therefore, I believe that more information will likely be posted on the forum. It's not necessarily that they are avoiding sharing their information or just care about research focused positions, in my understanding. Teaching centered positions also have various positive aspects, so you are more than welcome to share your information!
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Post by Thanks on Jan 22, 2024 22:37:15 GMT -5
At the time of posting this, there have been quite a few posts from (probably) the same person about more teaching-focused positions. This is my first (and only) year on the market. While it was interesting, useful, and somewhat demoralizing to see all of the posts from people about their R1/R2/Research jobs, I did feel a little lost not having updates on teaching positions. Now, I could have easily posted a teaching position, and I did comment when others made ones that applied to me, but I think this forum would benefit from having more people posting about these positions or creating a specific "status of searches" for teaching positions. I feel like this would not only be beneficial to morale and assist teaching candidates in knowing the "current" word about their desired positions, but creating a backlog of these for future years would be invaluable. For example, I applied to my top school and I am currently interviewing with them, but all the information about past searches for them are about their research professorships with no information/timelines for their teaching professorships or even their lecturer positions. While I have already felt lucky enough this cycle (sometimes thanks to this forum and sometimes not), it was cool to see some positions I care about pop up again on the main status of searches forum. Certainly, as you may be aware, teaching positions are typically posted later than R1/R2/Research jobs. In my experience, early spring is the usual timing for teaching-centered or non-tenure track positions. Therefore, I believe that more information will likely be posted on the forum. It's not necessarily that they are avoiding sharing their information or just care about research focused positions, in my understanding. Teaching centered positions also have various positive aspects, so you are more than welcome to share your information! I appreciate the info. I did know they posted later, I just didn't realize it was that much later. A lot of the deadlines I saw were slightly later than the majority of the research jobs, but good news that there are likely more to come. I suppose I will throw a couple more apps out there. Thanks for the assist.
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Post by Question on Jan 31, 2024 13:45:53 GMT -5
Anyone know where we can create a thread for speculations on potential openings for next year?
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