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Post by Yass on Oct 31, 2023 14:48:23 GMT -5
Just keep in mind that for any colleagues you have receiving Zoom or campus invites, there are several of us who are like you, receiving little or no attention from committees. It sucks, but it's really not a reflection of who you are as a researcher, an educator, or as a person. You can do everything perfectly and still not get a job. My coping strategy is semi-isolation: I'm not on Twitter, have minimal contact with other colleagues on the market. (It also helps that I follow a different path compared to most of them, they would apply to R1s and I go for small liberal arts institutions). It sounds dysfunctional, but it is working for me. The alternative is to develop the resilience to engage with people and get their updates (and give them your updates) and not let that ruin your day, and as great as that sounds, I don't have the resources to develop that kind of resilience right now. So I turn my house into a cozy cocoon to hide from it all. I work as much as possible, submit my applications, and then do something else like crafts or reading crime novels. Take care of yourself, you're really not alone in feeling the way you feel. Thanks for this. The job market has been so brutal. I'm 80+ applications deep without a peep. I've also taken the isolation approach, but I'm still having trouble focusing on other work. Not much else to do but trudge on (for now). I figure if still haven't heard anything come February, I'll start looking into other options.
But--thanks again--it really is helpful to have a reminder that silence is the norm.
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Oct 31, 2023 18:20:53 GMT -5
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Post by providence on Oct 31, 2023 18:20:53 GMT -5
fwiw, several years back i applied for a tenure track position that was advertised in february. received an offer in april, after i had resigned myself to another year of itinerant vapping. accepted the offer. years later, i am now a full professor. couldn’t imagine having a better job, so happy about where i landed.
just one story, i know.
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Oct 31, 2023 18:29:23 GMT -5
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Post by providence on Oct 31, 2023 18:29:23 GMT -5
one thing to keep in mind: as we get further into the job market season, many of those r1 stars will be out of the applicant pool. i know that is how i scored my job.
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Oct 31, 2023 18:35:41 GMT -5
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Post by providence on Oct 31, 2023 18:35:41 GMT -5
one last note: it doesn’t matter how many interviews or offers you get. nobody is keeping score. you only need one job.
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Post by Sad but grateful on Nov 1, 2023 10:39:11 GMT -5
Take a deep breath. Getting an academic job is one of the most difficult things to do. Most of the jobs are wonderful, but getting placed is no small feat. As someone who got a position this past market cycle and is now seeing how the sausage is made in faculty meetings, I 100% agree getting a TT job at an R1 is one the hardest things to do. Stresses me out knowing how lucky I am to have gotten through the ring of fire.
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Post by Sad on Nov 6, 2023 11:14:23 GMT -5
I got tenure. My department is being cut so my UNIV can be more STEM-y. My academic career is basically over because of this. Fucking hell this sucks. I appreciate the sympathy, but I have no clue what to do and I feel utterly useless and left behind skill wise. Even my quant-head skills are no longer aligned with what the market even wants (the glut of "data science" big data nuts) is preventing that. I am going to probably have to sell my house and never be able to own a house again depending where I land. Sweet. Higher ed SUCKS.
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Post by Blah on Nov 6, 2023 11:21:27 GMT -5
Had an interview last week and checking email every 5 minutes, how long does it take to hear back?
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Post by Guest23 on Nov 6, 2023 11:23:26 GMT -5
Had an interview last week and checking email every 5 minutes, how long does it take to hear back? Usually you get a phone call for a fly out or a job offer.
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Post by Blah on Nov 6, 2023 13:17:56 GMT -5
The waiting is the worst part right now
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Post by Faculty on Nov 6, 2023 14:45:40 GMT -5
Had an interview last week and checking email every 5 minutes, how long does it take to hear back? Really depends. Anything can happen. Just focus on the research and try to forget about it.
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Post by theend on Nov 6, 2023 16:20:59 GMT -5
I think this is the end of my academic career. It seems like I have too much research experience to get any slac job or small regional college job. But I don't have enough research experience/prestige to get an R1 job. I'm very sad about this since I always wanted to be a professor. But maybe I can find meaning in doing something else.
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Post by Jobs on Nov 7, 2023 15:07:52 GMT -5
I think this is the end of my academic career. It seems like I have too much research experience to get any slac job or small regional college job. But I don't have enough research experience/prestige to get an R1 job. I'm very sad about this since I always wanted to be a professor. But maybe I can find meaning in doing something else. You might consider research jobs in government and with government contractors.
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Post by timeframe? on Nov 8, 2023 14:22:49 GMT -5
Anyone have estimations for how long it usually takes after fly outs for the first offer to go out? When do you give up hope?
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Post by Really No Way to Know on Nov 8, 2023 15:03:36 GMT -5
Anyone have estimations for how long it usually takes after fly outs for the first offer to go out? When do you give up hope? Unfortunately the variation here is massive. I've been on the market several times and I've got offers where I've been the first choice as early as a day or two after the interview and in one case about six weeks later (with the average being somewhere in between). I do think it is appropriate after about 2 weeks if they haven't given you a timeline to check in and ask about it. You just need to be prepared for them to say the offer was made to another candidate (which is also an experience I've had!). Good luck!
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Post by Exactly on Nov 8, 2023 22:46:17 GMT -5
Anyone have estimations for how long it usually takes after fly outs for the first offer to go out? When do you give up hope? Unfortunately the variation here is massive. I've been on the market several times and I've got offers where I've been the first choice as early as a day or two after the interview and in one case about six weeks later (with the average being somewhere in between). I do think it is appropriate after about 2 weeks if they haven't given you a timeline to check in and ask about it. You just need to be prepared for them to say the offer was made to another candidate (which is also an experience I've had!). Good luck! Yes, after your interview, it is out of your hands. Nothing you can really do and worrying about it is not going to make anything better.
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