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Post by Rejected on Oct 17, 2022 10:06:01 GMT -5
Although the deadline was October 15th, I've already received a rejection email!
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Post by Me too on Oct 17, 2022 10:07:54 GMT -5
Although the deadline was October 15th, I've already received a rejection email! I did as well - said they’ve identified people to move forward with, so people on the short list should be contacted soon. Have the impression this was more of a targeted search, not an open search |
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Post by Me too 2 on Oct 17, 2022 10:15:13 GMT -5
Search committees of top institutions only read two lines of your CV: your name (+ supervisor) and your PhD institution.
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Post by Fast on Oct 17, 2022 10:24:55 GMT -5
It's likely they were also reviewing applications as they were coming in. Their deadline was 2 weeks later than most, so probably they got a lot of early applications from people who had wrapped up materials for other searches.
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Post by hungryrabit on Oct 17, 2022 11:17:11 GMT -5
This definitely had to be a targeted hire. Some institutions mandate that you have an open call for searches even when you want to recruit a specific person. They prob have that person in the top of the pile and maybe a couple other from specific places/job market stars.
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Post by letters on Oct 17, 2022 11:19:07 GMT -5
got the letters request, do not believe i was targeted
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Post by Interesting on Oct 17, 2022 11:21:41 GMT -5
Deadline on Friday, 278 applicants, shortlist constructed, and rejection sent out the following Monday. This case is really indicative of how hiring decisions are made at top places. But then again, I really appreciate how prompt they were in notifying rejections!
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Post by Hmm on Oct 17, 2022 12:22:23 GMT -5
I feel like this is the issue with only asking CV + cover letter. Applicants might like it, but the committees are clearly not looking at much else, aside from your PhD institution, advisor's name, and pubs.
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Post by knower of things on Oct 17, 2022 16:14:16 GMT -5
You are assuming all the applications arrived on 10/15. A committee of 3-4 people reading 5-15 applications a day as they come in is not that hard.
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Post by Still on Oct 17, 2022 16:49:24 GMT -5
Okay, but the committee is still making decisions based on a limited amount of information (PhD institution, pubs, etc.). Hope the shortlisted candidates are also excellent instructors and will be able to contribute to diversity and equity at Duke.
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Post by Plenty of info on Oct 17, 2022 17:53:29 GMT -5
As a SC member (not at Duke), I can say that cover letters can provide a wealth of information. Often in terms of what is not said. You might imagine that they are all similar, especially if you have mainly been looking at your own over and over again. But put 100 of them in a pile, and many will stand out. Personality, prior experiences, attention to detail, ability to comprehend the needs of the institution through the job description, etc. all come forth.
Not true for all search committees (nor for all of their members), but it really helps when candidates provide tea leaves for those of us interested in reading them.
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Post by MakesSense on Oct 17, 2022 18:08:37 GMT -5
I understand what you're saying. Some people may have a section talking about service in the cover letter, and some people may not have a section like that at all. Some candidates might only have one paragraph explaining their teaching experience/effectiveness. Others might devote more space.
Still, I feel like when people are required (and able) to really think in detail about their teaching philosophy and concrete ways they will support minoritized students at the institution they are applying to work at, that distinguishes good professors from great professors.
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Post by Plenty of info on Oct 17, 2022 18:47:42 GMT -5
When I was on the market, many years ago, I was told that a cover letter should be 2 pages max. I don’t think that rule applies anymore. You can discuss your teaching philosophy (in brief), your understanding of DEI issues, etc. to provide that background that informs the committee how you would approach a teaching position. Maybe that requires a third page, especially if you are not being asked to provide such information separately.
Don’t assume that R1 (or any institution) is only interested in your wonderful qualities as a researcher. Pubs matter, but now a lot of schools want value added.
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Post by Thanks on Oct 17, 2022 18:54:16 GMT -5
Was on the market during the pandemic and was still told to keep the cover letter to a max of 2 pages. That's why I kept saying people might have limited information with just the CV + cover letter. But I agree with (and appreciate) your perspective. Thanks for the generative discussion! Best of luck to the finalists!
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Post by Opinions vary on Oct 17, 2022 19:55:48 GMT -5
Was on the market during the pandemic and was still told to keep the cover letter to a max of 2 pages. That's why I kept saying people might have limited information with just the CV + cover letter. But I agree with (and appreciate) your perspective. Thanks for the generative discussion! Best of luck to the finalists! If a school is not requesting a separate research statement, we general suggest to students in my department that they can write 3 to 3.5 pages, rather than keep to the typical 2. |
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