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Post by BigRome on Dec 8, 2011 1:45:37 GMT -5
It has become clear to me over the course of this year's job market that the email (or letter via post) acknowledging receipt of one's application along with a request for demographic data is a de facto rejection letter. In spite of the fact that these letters almost always close with a suggestion that the institution/department will "be in touch as the process advances," this has NEVER been the case.
I've submitted a very significant number of applications this cycle, and receipt of this request is now understood to be confirmation that I didn't make the cut. After having received these requests, I have never been asked for more materials or been notified of a request for a phone interview. After dutifully submitting them, I never hear from them again. Conversely, each of the times that I've been lucky enough to be asked for more materials or an interview, these forms are not forthcoming.
I realize, of course, that in a market like this-- everyone is stressed and being asked to do more with less. But this particular very widespread practice seems an especially cruel kind of indignity. Especially because this is the last (and in most cases the only) acknowledgement that one gets from most of these institutions.
Perhaps others have had different experiences, but this post is mostly a bit of venting, but perhaps will save other candidates from needless hope after the ship(s) have already sailed.
Yet, somehow, I remain hopeful. Good luck, brothers and sisters.
(best security check ever: "chip on your shoulder")
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Post by not really on Dec 8, 2011 9:01:32 GMT -5
Places need to collect this information regardless and several send out those forms almost immediately after receiving applications. Maybe some places send them out incrementally as a way of determining whether they are disproportionately cutting candidates from specific subgroups at each stage, but this certainly is not uniform.
The reality is that you will get A LOT of rejection letters regardless of how good a candidate you are. If you apply to 50 jobs and have a 90% failure rate prior to the interview stage, you have had an exceptional application year, so a rejection notice will follow submission of an application in the overwhelming number of cases. It is pure coincidence.
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Post by oh on Dec 8, 2011 10:00:57 GMT -5
Hm. I thought those forms were sent at the beginning of the process for every single applicant. But you say that for the positions where you were asked for more info that you didn't get the form. That could be (highly) coincidental...but nevertheless your suggestion depresses me since I've received two of those in the last couple of weeks.
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Post by maybe on Dec 11, 2011 23:22:13 GMT -5
You know, I didn't really think of this until last week when I received an email with these forms from a school that had apparently scheduled phone interviews with candidates the day before (not including me). Although, I just applied for a position with a January deadline and received an acknowledgement email the next day with these forms, so it's certainly not true in all cases.
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Post by me on Dec 13, 2011 8:50:15 GMT -5
I have occasionally gotten these forms after the school had already made a decision. I generally don't fill them out (regardless of when I get them).
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Post by nope on Dec 13, 2011 11:01:18 GMT -5
I've gotten these forms from places where I did get interviews and from places where I later made short or long lists. In ain't true
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Post by unclekarl on Dec 13, 2011 11:14:20 GMT -5
I've gotten these forms from places where I did get interviews and from places where I later made short or long lists. In ain't true Legally, do the EEO forms and hiring process have to be independent? My biggest gripe is when I am emailed a form and am asked to print it out and send it in via USPS. As universities can ask these questions online, its a bit frustrating that I have to buy a stamp. It also sends a message that 'we're saving money, but we are not concerned about you.'
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