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Post by Question on Dec 5, 2022 17:09:37 GMT -5
Question: for faculty who are switching institutions and not starting at their new school until the next Fall, is it common to post the news on social media this early? I always thought you should wait until March-April to notify your current department.
Note: the posts in this thread were originally a response to a hire at a specific institution, but the topics discussed had nothing to do with either that hire or that university. It's an interesting discussion, but following a suggestion from one reader it has been moved here.
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Post by why wait? on Dec 5, 2022 17:17:50 GMT -5
you already got the job. why not give the dept more time to find a replacement?
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Post by Because on Dec 5, 2022 17:30:47 GMT -5
Well, I don't think they are likely to start a search in January.
And because... you still have to work and interact with people (who know you are leaving them) for an entire semester?
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Post by idk on Dec 5, 2022 17:40:43 GMT -5
Well, I don't think they are likely to start a search in January. And because... you still have to work and interact with people (who know you are leaving them) for an entire semester? Sounds like a pretty dysfunctional department if you can't be honest about leaving even after you get the job. I wouldnt want to work there.
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Post by Joe on Dec 12, 2022 16:50:36 GMT -5
There is no right or wrong answer, but, as a faculty, it helps the department losing a faculty start *planning* on how to replace a line and get the bureaucratic process going (i.e. with the Dean, broader College).
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Post by Hi on Dec 12, 2022 16:51:34 GMT -5
Well, I don't think they are likely to start a search in January. And because... you still have to work and interact with people (who know you are leaving them) for an entire semester? Sounds like a pretty dysfunctional department if you can't be honest about leaving even after you get the job. I wouldnt want to work there. Spot on. It is a business at the end of the day.
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Post by don't burn bridges on Dec 13, 2022 13:20:24 GMT -5
If a colleague tells me they're leaving, no bridge has been burned.
If I find out that they accepted a job four months before they told our department, that bridge has been incinerated.
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Post by Hmm on Dec 13, 2022 13:28:12 GMT -5
If a colleague tells me they're leaving, no bridge has been burned. If I find out that they accepted a job four months before they told our department, that bridge has been incinerated. Okay, but what if the colleague has only been at your institution for a semester? Or they still want to use the department and school's resources? You'd still want them to tell you in December instead of February? Doesn't that leave a sour taste, knowing that they're leaving so soon?
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Post by don't burn bridges on Dec 13, 2022 13:30:27 GMT -5
Yes, of course. They're going to have left after a year regardless of when they tell me; delaying the news won't change that. But it will make me feel like they lied to me for months, and like they kept our program from being able to make plans. Seriously, don't do this. Word gets around and we'll know you knew long before you revealed it. And we'll feel foolish that our colleagues in other departments knew you were leaving but we did not.
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Post by Interesting on Dec 13, 2022 14:30:40 GMT -5
I guess I’m shocked (and intrigued) by this discussion because there are definitely candidates last year who waited to reveal that they’d be moving to another institution.
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Post by NoHardFeelings on Dec 14, 2022 11:49:19 GMT -5
If a colleague tells me they're leaving, no bridge has been burned. If I find out that they accepted a job four months before they told our department, that bridge has been incinerated. Okay, but what if the colleague has only been at your institution for a semester? Or they still want to use the department and school's resources? You'd still want them to tell you in December instead of February? Doesn't that leave a sour taste, knowing that they're leaving so soon? Sounds like a personal problem if someone is sour about a colleague moving to another institution.
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Post by Also on Dec 25, 2022 11:47:15 GMT -5
Okay, but what if the colleague has only been at your institution for a semester? Or they still want to use the department and school's resources? You'd still want them to tell you in December instead of February? Doesn't that leave a sour taste, knowing that they're leaving so soon? Sounds like a personal problem if someone is sour about a colleague moving to another institution. Seriously!!! Also, even if a colleague is moving to another institution, they earned their benefits, research funds, etc and are entitled to it. They are also still providing a service to the university in the form of their teaching, committees, etc.
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Post by Insight on this on Jan 4, 2023 0:59:01 GMT -5
I waited until April to tell my department I was leaving even though I accepted a new job in December. I felt bad for my colleagues for kind of screwing them, but my chair and college admin were extremely toxic and I feared retaliation. So it really depends on the situation. Karma.
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Post by Yes on Jan 4, 2023 2:12:00 GMT -5
^ Thank you!
As someone mentioned earlier, there is not a right or wrong answer here. Maybe it's not safe to tell your chair the same week that you accept an offer. Maybe they are giving you a hard time, and if you tell them right away, they will make your life more difficult until you leave. I'd rather have to put up with any BS for only 1-2 months, as opposed to 4 months before leaving. So, in certain cases, I feel like it definitely makes sense to wait to tell them.
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time for self reflection
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Post by time for self reflection on Jan 10, 2023 15:05:36 GMT -5
Yes, of course. They're going to have left after a year regardless of when they tell me; delaying the news won't change that. But it will make me feel like they lied to me for months, and like they kept our program from being able to make plans. Seriously, don't do this. Word gets around and we'll know you knew long before you revealed it. And we'll feel foolish that our colleagues in other departments knew you were leaving but we did not. Yeah, if someone is not telling you, it means that your department is so toxic that they were afraid of telling you, so that's an opportunity for your to reflect on that. And your vengeful, "word gets around" veiled threats and bitter attitude about it suggests that your department could in fact be toxic, so maybe it's time to un-learn those attitudes and behaviors.
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