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Post by justsayno on Oct 27, 2011 21:16:45 GMT -5
What soc departments actually have 2-1 teaching loads as their normal load (without grant money or other course buy outs)? I've heard Princeton does, and somebody said Rice does, too.
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Post by anon on Oct 27, 2011 21:31:53 GMT -5
I'm not aware of any that do that permanently. A university's not going to give a 1-2 unless they see *HIGH* likelihood of output.
Some places do give special allotments the first year. U. Memphis has a 1-1 the first year, but they may subsequently give faculty up to 4-4 who aren't 'productive'. Generally, I think universities tend to think of a resource to be used. I would be careful getting into a 1-2 unless I dug around pretty deeply--it could mean more work than a 'normal' 2-2.
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Post by cornell on Oct 27, 2011 21:53:45 GMT -5
Faculty at Cornell have permanent 2-1 teaching loads; maybe it's an Ivy thing, since higher ranked publics (Mich, Wisc) have 2-2s...at least before buyouts.
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Post by anon on Oct 28, 2011 7:49:55 GMT -5
It makes sense that 2-1 loads are more common at Ivies and other top private universities--those courses cost a lot more to buy out, and buying out is often discouraged. Most faculty I know at top R1 public universities have "official" 2-2 loads, but buy out enough so that they end up teaching 2-1 at the most.
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Post by Rice on Oct 28, 2011 8:08:02 GMT -5
Yep, Rice has a permanent 2-1 load.
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Post by rrr on Oct 28, 2011 8:54:36 GMT -5
I agree that increasing load for the research unproductive is eminently fair. Assuming of course that person isn't a terrible teacher.
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Post by unclekarl on Oct 28, 2011 10:26:56 GMT -5
If Rice has a 2-1, that might explain all the heat & nuttiness in the Status forum. Personally, I would be tickled with a 2-2!
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Post by Iwish on Oct 28, 2011 11:53:11 GMT -5
Someone I went to grad school with apparently has a permanent 1-1 teaching load. At a public R1.
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Post by ohers on Oct 28, 2011 12:27:18 GMT -5
Penn and NYU have 2-1 standard
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Post by unclekarl on Oct 28, 2011 13:01:30 GMT -5
On the flip side, these 2-1's mentioned are hard to get tenure in. I mean no disrespect to those applying for positions, 3-4 ASRs & AJSs may not be enough at an NYU or Yale. Contrast this with most state R1s, where tenure is more a norm.
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Post by beg to differ on Oct 28, 2011 16:23:31 GMT -5
I know we all have reason to be peeved at NYU for not hiring last year, but I would hardly put them in the same category as Yale when it comes to tenure. They don't have that many juniors that have gone through recently, but their tenure rate is quite good over the past 20 years; and the two that went through last year had good CV's but not an unreasonably high number of top-tier publications.
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Post by unclekarl on Oct 28, 2011 22:50:40 GMT -5
I'm glad to hear NYU has better tenure-track prospects. I tend to lump most Ivy League colleges together, which is a stereotype I should avoid! =)
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Post by mmm hmmm on Oct 29, 2011 10:09:07 GMT -5
Yes, you should especially avoid lumping non-Ivy League schools together with Ivy League schools. Interestingly enough, from NYU's admissions website: "NYU is not an Ivy League institution and can never be an Ivy. Why? Because the Ivy League is a historical construct that is just that—historical and unalterable. That doesn’t mean that NYU isn’t one of the leading research universities in the country. As our University president likes to say, “NYU is THE New York university,” comparable to none. We like to believe—and we hope you will, too—that NYU is in a league of its own." www.nyu.edu/admissions/undergraduate-admissions/is-nyu-right-for-you/reputation.html
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Post by mythology on Oct 29, 2011 10:21:20 GMT -5
Yes, you should especially avoid lumping non-Ivy League schools together with Ivy League schools. Interestingly enough, from NYU's admissions website: "NYU is not an Ivy League institution and can never be an Ivy. Why? Because the Ivy League is a historical construct that is just that—historical and unalterable. That doesn’t mean that NYU isn’t one of the leading research universities in the country. As our University president likes to say, “NYU is THE New York university,” comparable to none. We like to believe—and we hope you will, too—that NYU is in a league of its own." www.nyu.edu/admissions/undergraduate-admissions/is-nyu-right-for-you/reputation.htmlI have realized that people tend to speak of Ivy League as though it is just some marker of excellence rather than an affiliation of old schools that was born as an athletic conference and nothing more. I have seen such online debates as "Is Duke Ivy League?", with people vehemently arguing that they are. The Ivies are elite because they have the advantage of historical privilege and have converted this into contemporary success in accepted measures of excellence, but it's not like there are 8 schools ranked above everybody else and then the rest are fighting for second-tier recognition.
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Post by teaching on Oct 30, 2011 9:31:44 GMT -5
Most of the sociology faculty at ASU also have 2-1 loads. The assistants all have a 2-1 standard. For tenured faculty 2-1 is standard for those who are "grant active" meaning they currently have external grants (most), or have had them in the recent past and are active submitting new grant proposals. A small number of faculty who are not grant active have 2-2 loads.
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