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Post by Blocko on Oct 14, 2011 15:27:17 GMT -5
Hi,
Just wondering how many applicants are typically included on a department's "long list". I realize this can vary by department/institution but just looking for some orienting numbers.
Thanks,
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Post by guessing on Oct 14, 2011 16:46:36 GMT -5
This is just a guess, but these are the numbers I use in my head when I think about lists (if I make any category larger I get depressed):
Long list: Anyone remotely qualified and worth a second look - 20-40 people?
Long-Short list: Anyone worth comparing to other candidates to decide on 'phone interview' list - 10-20 people
Short list: Phone interview worthy: 5-10 people (more if multiple spots are open)
Interview list: ~3 per spot, depending on resources for flyouts
Again, this is based on absolutely nothing other than numbers that don't make me think about suicide.
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Post by roundtheseparts on Oct 14, 2011 17:29:28 GMT -5
People who make our "long list" will probably never know they were on it, unless they're missing some piece of their app and we need to ask for it. It's not so much a formal list as the people whose apps are pulled during the initial sort through the stack and make it into active conversation when the committee meets. That'll be 20-30 people. Maybe less than that if a clear "top tier" emerges from the stack.
The short list will be 8-12, and those people may also never know they were on that list. It'll depend if we decide we need more materials from everybody. Otherwise, only those 3-4 who we want to bring to campus will be told in any official capacity, though I suppose names could leak out.
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Post by more materials on Oct 14, 2011 17:34:46 GMT -5
What about when a SC asks for more materials, etc. from a group of job candidates? How large of a cut is that, typically?
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Post by depends on Oct 14, 2011 18:01:08 GMT -5
It depends on the search. Some searches still have many more applicants than others. Some departments leave all of the file reading to the search committee, others share the files of long list candidates with all of the faculty and vote -- look at the description of the Oregon search. Some schools fall in between and input is gathered informally. Many departments never do the phone interviews, not because all universities are wealthier than all four-year colleges, but because hiring criteria vary. Research universities like to hire based on research and little else, and if an offer is made by a R1 it's more likely to be accepted, so why waste time doing phone interviews? Colleges hire based on unique fit issues that call for different types of candidate screening, but less wrangling people to come to an agreement. Less competitive universities have to think more about who is still available during flyouts. What other gross overgeneralizations have I forgotten?
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Post by Little Birdy on Oct 21, 2011 9:08:05 GMT -5
I work at an R1 University that is hiring this year. The University is requiring us to do phone interviews with at least 10 applicants prior to deciding on who to bring in for interviews. In this time of fiscal constraint even R1's are concerned about failed searches.
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Post by phone on Nov 2, 2011 7:36:37 GMT -5
Short list: Phone interview worthy: 5-10 people (more if multiple spots are open) Do people think this is about right for phone interviews, in terms of the length of the list? I realize it will vary from institution to institution. I'm just wondering how long the typical phone interview list is. |
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Post by yupyup on Nov 2, 2011 11:16:39 GMT -5
Short list: Phone interview worthy: 5-10 people (more if multiple spots are open) Do people think this is about right for phone interviews, in terms of the length of the list? I realize it will vary from institution to institution. I'm just wondering how long the typical phone interview list is. I would say yes, unless they decide to only phone interview the first 3-4 who might get an in-person, and then continue on if any of them are not chosen. |
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Post by phone on Nov 2, 2011 11:25:09 GMT -5
So, it sounds like schools vary in what they use the phone interviews for, as well as how many they conduct. Some use them to just screen candidates they plan to invite (make sure they're not crazy or whatever), while other places use them as one last way of narrowing the pool down.
Either way, you have a pretty good chance at an invite if you get a phone interview, right?
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Post by yupyup on Nov 2, 2011 11:55:24 GMT -5
Either way, you have a pretty good chance at an invite if you get a phone interview, right? You have a much better chance than anyone who didn't get a phone interview. I would guess, on average, a 1:2 or 1:3 chance of landing an on-campus invite, if not better. |
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