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Post by savabuck on May 7, 2015 13:39:06 GMT -5
I am not "fully" on the market, but in the past I've seen jobs in the employment service that I might be interested in. What is the consensus on skipping the employment service and trying to directly contact SC members who will be interviewing at the ASA? Not just because of monetary reasons, but also because I don't want to broadcast to the entire discipline that I am on the market.
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Post by no. on May 7, 2015 15:38:24 GMT -5
I am not "fully" on the market, but in the past I've seen jobs in the employment service that I might be interested in. What is the consensus on skipping the employment service and trying to directly contact SC members who will be interviewing at the ASA? Not just because of monetary reasons, but also because I don't want to broadcast to the entire discipline that I am on the market. I don't have any idea what not being "fully" on the market actually means. You are applying for jobs or your aren't. If you are, there's a significant investment of resources involved: your time, your advisors' time, and the costs of attending the Annual Meeting come quickly to mind. As a SC member, I would most likely ignore a request to meet outside of the employment services arrangement if our department was planning on participating. Beyond signaling a lack of professionalization, you're asking me to go out of my way to arrange something with you and take up even more of the limited time I have left at the meeting. (And where are you proposing that we meet? In your hotel room? In mine? At some bar? There's a reason why the ASA has set this up, and why we might make use of these services.) Yes, I would remember your name, but not in a good way. In short, this seems like a really bad idea. Have you passed this by your advisor? I would be surprised if anybody would endorse it. |
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Post by ap on the move on May 7, 2015 16:36:36 GMT -5
I get if you already have a TT job somewhere, you are unlikely to want to participate in the employment service if you don't want your current department to know. You may also not want to leave, per se, unless a more ideal job comes along. I get that. So I don't fully agree with no. At the same time... no. I've been on two SCs now, and both times, emails to random committee members, or even to the chair of the committee, that were outside of the official or expected channels, were hits against the application. I don't want to hire a colleague who will secretly go behind my back - to the dean, the provost, the chair, another university. So yeah. Still no. Even if I better understand your situation than the first response.
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Post by sortof on May 7, 2015 21:20:53 GMT -5
Actually, search committee members meeting with potential candidates outside of the employment service happens all the time. It is incredibly common. But you have to have an "in" with the person. Emails out of the blue won't get you anywhere (not because it is unprofessional, but because you may get several of them). But if your advisor/mentor/friend can connect you, then it is very doable.
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Post by done it informally on May 8, 2015 8:57:26 GMT -5
Informal off-site interviews at ASA are the norm for Princeton, Harvard, Michigan, Berkeley, etc. But those institutions don't participate in the Employment Service anyway. I had some of those set up though my adviser a couple of years ago when I was on the market.
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Post by sockpuppet on May 8, 2015 9:56:57 GMT -5
I am not "fully" on the market, but in the past I've seen jobs in the employment service that I might be interested in. What is the consensus on skipping the employment service and trying to directly contact SC members who will be interviewing at the ASA? Not just because of monetary reasons, but also because I don't want to broadcast to the entire discipline that I am on the market. Unless you've got a job and are trying to be discreet, don't contact me. We meet candidates through the employment service, and only make exceptions if a colleague recommends we meet with her/his advisee (and this is really to maintain our connection with that colleague--hoping one day s/he will return the favor). If you are trying to keep your job search secret from your current department, then I might be more understanding than the posters above. I'll have a coffee or beer with you for about 15 minutes. |
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Post by no. on May 8, 2015 10:57:02 GMT -5
I was assuming the OP was a grad student or recent PhD without a current position. (The "save a buck" moniker led me in that direction, because it sounded like a move to avoid signing up and paying for for the Employment Services.)
Yes, if you are an AP, that's a different story. In that case, what I would recommend is still signing up for ES, request an interview through the normal process, and then if you attract some interest (but only then) explain that you would rather not be seen in the cattle call and politely request a different venue. As a SC member, I would respond much more favorably to that than to a cold-call email.
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Post by SLACer on May 8, 2015 11:55:18 GMT -5
Yes, if you are an AP, that's a different story. In that case, what I would recommend is still signing up for ES, request an interview through the normal process, and then if you attract some interest (but only then) explain that you would rather not be seen in the cattle call and politely request a different venue. As a SC member, I would respond much more favorably to that than to a cold-call email. Don't forget, though, that prospective employers can see the names of every candidate who has signed up for ES. This means that if you have colleagues who are fairly well connected there is a good chance that somebody who is hiring will say to them "I see that Sarah is on the market this year. Why is that?" If your own department is hiring they won't even need a third-party intermediary to find out that you're searching. |
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Post by real question on May 9, 2015 8:52:47 GMT -5
Does this even matter? Does having an ASA interview ever actually put people in better shape to get a job? My understanding is that it's mainly a way to weed people out, so why not just submit an application without trying to make contact at ASA?
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Post by Abcd on May 9, 2015 12:21:12 GMT -5
Are there jobs listed in the employment service already? Every time I check nothing pops up. Do I have to have my Cv uploaded already in order to view the jobs?
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Post by sillywabbits on May 9, 2015 16:56:16 GMT -5
Every year, people wonder about the point of the employment service. Yes, it has become much more pointless than it was as fewer schools participate. Yes, you won't get an offer at the end of your 20 minute interview. Yes, it's stupid that it costs money to everyone involved.
And... if you want a job at a smaller school, a LAC, an R2, it can be a big leg up. If you can't wow them in 20 minutes, then having 2 days won't help. So you'll only weed yourself out of the jobs you wouldn't get an offer anyway and increase your chances of getting a flyout at the places that might offer you a job. You certainly don't have to do this to get a job, but why would you reduce your chances at impressing people?
So do the employment service. Have your advisors arrange informal interviews. Talk to people at receptions and ask questions at sessions. Send out as many applications as possible. And hopefully, one of these things will lead to an offer.
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Post by straightforward? on Jul 23, 2015 22:34:53 GMT -5
If I am an AP, would it be obvious that I use email rather than the ES platform because I want to be discrete, or would you recommend that I explain why I am using email and hope to meet outside the ES? As SLACer said, when you register others can see you, so that's why I haven't registered.
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