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Post by pamandjim on Dec 26, 2013 18:22:41 GMT -5
Was an offer made for the health position in PAM?
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Post by insider on Jan 2, 2014 8:34:31 GMT -5
Christopher Wildeman (Associate Professor of Sociology, Yale University) accepted the child health position in PAM.
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Post by socpro on Jan 2, 2014 12:40:12 GMT -5
A fantastic hire for Cornell! Congrats to Chris!
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Post by whoa on Jan 3, 2014 14:11:47 GMT -5
he got tenure fast. And then left. Anyone know the back story?
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Post by not sure on Jan 3, 2014 14:17:11 GMT -5
dont think that associate means Tenure at Yale...they have a crazy crazy long tenure clock. Im guessing the move is specifically in an effort to gain tenure.
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Post by Ivy Covered Dumpster on Jan 3, 2014 14:40:17 GMT -5
he got tenure fast. And then left. Anyone know the back story? Harvard, Yale, and Princeton sociology do not award tenure at the associate level--at least not at first. (This is a university-wide policy as far as I know, but I only have direct knowledge of their sociology programs.) Thus it is typical to see someone get promoted to Associate at one of those schools and parlay that into a tenured "lateral" move elsewhere. Further, despite a few prominent tenure acceptances in recent years, the burden for actually getting tenure is murderous at Yale, Harvard and Princeton (I don't know about other ivies.) You basically have to be promotable to full anywhere else after about nine years. (Whereas by a typical clock elsewhere you have 7 and then 7 to reach full.) |
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Post by dunno on Jan 3, 2014 14:45:10 GMT -5
dont think Princeton works like that...and has a pretty good track record of tenuring junior folks as of late (at least relative to H and Y).
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Post by Ivy Covered Dumpster on Jan 3, 2014 15:18:57 GMT -5
dont think Princeton works like that...and has a pretty good track record of tenuring junior folks as of late (at least relative to H and Y). Who cares about who is tenuring well or not? Only people actually at those schools care anyway. I can say that what I related was what I was told after directly asking a member of the faculty. Maybe things have changed since then, maybe they haven't; haven't looked it up in the faculty handbook, anyway. Anyway, the question I was answering was explaining a common pattern that you see in Ivy promotions that looks strange to the non-elect. Another explanation, incidentally, is that many schools (not just ivies) can take you off-clock and tenure or promote you early, especially in the face of a competing offer from another school or the private sector. |
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Post by Another Guest on Jan 3, 2014 15:34:56 GMT -5
Not the first time in the last few years Cornell has tried to scoop faculty approaching tenure at Y, P, or H.
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Post by PAM on Jan 3, 2014 17:17:33 GMT -5
Between PAM and SOC, Cornell has been killing it lately with hires.
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Post by Only Yale. on Jan 3, 2014 20:46:25 GMT -5
Princeton started tenuring its juniors some time ago, and Harvard more recently. Yale has been the holdout. I hear that things may be changing even there, but I don't have any inside info on what that means. But regardless, the info above about Harvard/Princeton/Yale not tenuring juniors is currently true only for Yale.
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Post by well on Jan 3, 2014 21:17:08 GMT -5
we'll see if things have actually changed at harvard soc...not much of a track record yet!
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Post by the guestiest on Jan 4, 2014 15:03:15 GMT -5
It's been two years since I've had close contact with H but I'd say don't hold your breath. Don't know about Y, aside that from a collegiality standpoint I'd rather be tenured at Y (not that its going to happen at either for me).
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