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Post by not subject on Oct 28, 2011 16:01:04 GMT -5
Those Times rankings are weird. How does Case Western beat out IU? Those times rankings are for universities in general. The QS rankings are by subject. The link provided was for sociology, specifically. Hence, the expected discrepancies between the two lists.
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Post by yale hate on Oct 28, 2011 16:10:46 GMT -5
Dang, it seems poor Yale is taking a beating on these boards recently. They seem like the Meg (Family Guy references ftw) of the Sociology family. Does Yale sociology deserve all this mud slinging? They seem like a fine (not great) top 20 program to me.
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Post by quantguy on Oct 28, 2011 18:25:10 GMT -5
These rankings are a bit screwy, & the devil is in the details. Yale's soc dept., for example, almost got eliminated c. 2000, so its a 'recovering' program, great but not the best in the world. Penn State, Wisconsin, & UNC should be higher. Comparing European and Australian programs to U.S. institutions is a bit like comparing a car with a truck. I would also like to see confidence intervals for rankings, as I am suspect of the point estimates.
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Post by ummmm on Oct 28, 2011 18:34:25 GMT -5
The post above...oh man. Must resist urge to snark on so many levels...
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Post by snark away on Oct 28, 2011 18:44:56 GMT -5
That gal/guy came across like a pompous you-know-what. A car and a truck metaphor. Really? Plenty of on-American sociology departments are great institutions and have great strengths in a variety of sub-fields and disciplines. Not to mention, they are far better at theory, which is the glue that holds our discipline together. Quant peeps really need to get a reality check (hopefully, from someone a lot snarkier than myself).
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Post by snark away2 on Oct 28, 2011 18:46:00 GMT -5
*non-American
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Post by interesting on Jan 17, 2012 17:55:01 GMT -5
I like this list. It is expansive and gives much needed shout-outs to great non-American universities. The ethnocentric academic in me can't help but wonder when US News is releasing its new batch Sociology rankings, though. I want to see if my prediction/$10 dollar wager that Yale will move up with its latest two hires will be true.
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Post by ok on Jan 18, 2012 9:44:30 GMT -5
You know, if you ask me it's kind of dumb for US News to focus only on US rankings. Not only are we globalizing as a profession, especially in terms of student flows, but I bet that the QS and Times are starting to get more hits on their world rankings due to the greater coverage.
Not to mention, it is at least theoretically named the US News and *World* Report, not the "US News and America is the Best, and Only Country Report."
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Post by UTexas on Jan 19, 2012 19:00:31 GMT -5
Judging from how well their grads did this year in landing top tt jobs, I would not be surprised if UTexas gets a prestige bump in the upcoming US News rankings.
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Post by how well on Jan 19, 2012 21:32:02 GMT -5
how well...three jobs out of how many on the market?
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Post by postdocs on Jan 20, 2012 1:29:26 GMT -5
That's three more than several other top 20 departments. Plus, UTexas grads have been getting plenty of prestigious postdocs lately, including RWJ. I'm not even a UTexas grad, but I can give props when props are due.
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Post by please on Jan 20, 2012 6:12:38 GMT -5
Status anxiety rules again. Sigh...
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Post by obvious on Jan 20, 2012 8:39:43 GMT -5
You know, if you ask me it's kind of dumb for US News to focus only on US rankings. Not only are we globalizing as a profession, especially in terms of student flows, but I bet that the QS and Times are starting to get more hits on their world rankings due to the greater coverage. Not to mention, it is at least theoretically named the US News and *World* Report, not the "US News and America is the Best, and Only Country Report." The purpose of ranking U.S. departments relative to each other alone is obvious; we want to know what the best programs in the country are. Among college students in the U.S. who are looking to apply to grad school, the U.S. schools are typically all that matter, so what is the point of hyping a program in the U.K.? Yes, we are seeing more foreign students pursuing soc PhDs in the U.S., but the outflow is not remotely comparable and we are usually competing with U.S.-trained PhDs for jobs. Just look at the hiring thread and point out how many of the people who landed positions are coming from international universities in order to amplify my point.
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Post by ok on Jan 20, 2012 9:25:10 GMT -5
I take the point, but there's no reason they can't do both.
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