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Post by Stanfurd still sux on Sept 12, 2011 2:17:24 GMT -5
This (moniker) must be corrected/re-emphasized!
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Post by yep on Sept 12, 2011 12:57:14 GMT -5
I think part of the conflict might be because different departments are better in different subfields.
Also, to throw a dog in the fight, there is a lot of great European theory, but there are many UK sociology departments that realistically look more like media studies in my opinion, and are better classified as arts and humanities. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but there are pragmatic implications - one reason why our job market is much better than say, literature, is the fact that we can do research with actual people and things, out in the world, which gives us options with real world jobs like consulting.
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Post by True on Sept 12, 2011 17:56:04 GMT -5
^ I completely agree. UK universities are far too anti-empirical to be considered stronger than quantitative havens like Michigan and Wisconsin.
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Post by curious on Sept 12, 2011 18:06:09 GMT -5
Based on placement alone, Harvard and Berkeley dominate the field. I'm not sure if this is a myth, but my professor mentor warned about going to Stanford due to their pathetic placement rate. Does anyone have any data on this? I mean recently (i.e., after the 2004 "Academic Caste" article).
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Post by canuck on Sept 12, 2011 18:48:52 GMT -5
Toronto is a fantastic sociology department. The reason you don't see a lot of their grads at the top U.S. schools is that 1) A lot of the people making hiring decisions are U.S.-centric [as is clear from this board]; 2) Would you want to move from Canada to the U.S.? I'd rather have my pick of Canadian jobs than leave universal health insurance behind to take a job in the U.S., even at Wisconsin.
But, in terms of the quality of scholarship, Toronto is excellent by any stretch of the imagination (as are UBC, York, Alberta, McGill, and many other Canadian sociology departments).
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Post by Myopic much on Sept 25, 2011 11:20:28 GMT -5
Some of you need to venture your sights off of the States. Of course, Canada and the UK have great departments. Europe, Asia, and Latin America also have monopolies on various sociology subdisciplines. I'm glad they got noticed. As a Latin American scholar, I loved the UNAM top 50 inclusion.
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Post by placement on Sept 25, 2011 14:27:28 GMT -5
Based on placement alone, Harvard and Berkeley dominate the field. I'm not sure if this is a myth, but my professor mentor warned about going to Stanford due to their pathetic placement rate. Does anyone have any data on this? I mean recently (i.e., after the 2004 "Academic Caste" article). Stanford has had trouble getting significant numbers of grads into the top sociology departments. But overall it's not a pathetic placement rate--at least 80% of grads who want one get an academic position and at decent places, too. Compare that to Berkeley's list of PhD's on the market which seems to reach back several years.
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Post by Canada on Oct 3, 2011 11:35:26 GMT -5
Are there any rankings for schools just in Canada? I know the top three (Toronto, McGill, UBC) but am having a hard time evaluating the prestige of other programs, e.g., McMaster, Western Ontario...
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Post by anon canuck on Oct 3, 2011 11:40:42 GMT -5
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Post by Yalies ftw on Oct 27, 2011 20:04:55 GMT -5
Top 20-ish no more, baby! Yale has hit the top 10 big leagues! *feels vindicated in lowly sociology pedigree*
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Post by Yale who on Oct 27, 2011 21:01:34 GMT -5
*is SC committee member at real top 10 sociology department* *looks at pile of app cvs* *spots a lonesome yale soc applicant* *smiles in pitiful surprise* *throws yale app in trash pile where it belongs* *calls berkeley and harvard applicants for on-site interviews* *hires berkeley applicant* *she accepts* *feels vindicated in the continuation of the academic caste system* jk yalie...kinda
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Post by THE on Oct 27, 2011 21:33:47 GMT -5
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Post by rrr on Oct 28, 2011 8:43:28 GMT -5
Glad this thread got promoted. Interesting point above about English-speaking universities topping the ranks. Too bad for the French and Spanish world that the international language of research is going so strongly toward English. (The Chinese wised up about that right quick.)
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Post by lol on Oct 28, 2011 15:40:51 GMT -5
*is SC committee member at real top 10 sociology department* *looks at pile of app cvs* *spots a lonesome yale soc applicant* *smiles in pitiful surprise* *throws yale app in trash pile where it belongs* *calls berkeley and harvard applicants for on-site interviews* *hires berkeley applicant* *she accepts* *feels vindicated in the continuation of the academic caste system* jk yalie...kinda Sad, but true. Yale is definitely nowhere near top 10. Their abysmal placement rate attests to that.
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Post by Hrmph on Oct 28, 2011 15:56:39 GMT -5
Those Times rankings are weird. How does Case Western beat out IU?
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