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Post by calidoc on Aug 20, 2011 23:21:54 GMT -5
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Post by unclekarl on Aug 26, 2011 21:54:53 GMT -5
Hate to be disparaging, but the official ASA data always makes me suspect. Gauge how your peers do in finding jobs, not in what the people selling sociology are saying, as the weather's always great there!
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Post by grad4life on Sept 6, 2011 9:24:09 GMT -5
Just because the market may be "better" and by that it may mean more positions advertised, there is still is a backlog of graduates form the past 3 years, or maybe 4, who haven't landed a position in the past few years and will be competing with newly minted PhDs. Not to mention junior faculty whop took a job they dislike in bubble-f*ck town so they can wait out the market till something better comes along- this market is so messed up. Not to mention the withdrawing of advertised positions and increased reliance on adjuncts, as well as the lack of growth in our economy, which many say will be like this for at least 5 or 7 more years.
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Post by toomuchpessimism on Sept 6, 2011 10:29:58 GMT -5
Yes, the market is still backlogged. Yes, there are still far too many sociologists looking for jobs compared to jobs. Yes, there are far too many low-paying and/or adjunct positions. Yes, the market generally sucks and compared to when we entered grad school, it's miserable.
All that said, compared to the past couple of years, it's looking better, imo, in terms of the quantity and quality of the jobs posted. There are more UC schools posting for example, more searches listing multiple positions (that I recall), and generally, comparing my list of jobs that I applied to compared to this year's, I *much* prefer the possibilities this year compared to last (however remote they may be).
This is a question of unit of measurement. Compared to the early 2000s, it sucks. Compared to last year or the year before, it seems to look better. Can sociologists be optimists for once? (I can answer that question: no.)
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Post by anon on Sept 6, 2011 11:20:08 GMT -5
Can sociologists be optimists for once? (I can answer that question: no.) As sociologists, I believe the only acceptable answer is it depends. But I fully agree with the substance of your post. This year is way better than last and I'm cautiously optimistic that something will hit. |
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Post by want to be optimistic on Sept 6, 2011 11:25:40 GMT -5
In another thread there's a table showing the number of new job listings by month for the last few years. It shows that new listings have been showing up later and later in the year. Last year, the majority showed up in September and October.
I've been pretty anxious. This is my only year to be on the market, essentially, and my area of expertise forces me to apply primarily for all of the open area positions. I'm hoping for a LOT more new job ads.
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Post by umm wait on Sept 6, 2011 18:44:36 GMT -5
Did unclekarl all seriously just respond with a version of "That may be what the data say, but that's not my experience."? I mean, come on people. The market is improving. Yes there is a backlog, but there are more jobs. I'm sorry that you don't have the job you want (I'm looking again myself), but to deny the empirical indicators is to basically commit the same mistakes we spend most of intro sociology trying to beat out of our undergrads. You can do better.
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Post by grad4life on Sept 6, 2011 21:19:03 GMT -5
I work in uni admin at an R1, my former Soci program actually should be having 3 positions advertised this tear, unsure why they haven't been yet, but I just have learned much about the inner workings of a top school, and OMG, it has scared the crap out of me, b/c, you have PhD admins ruining a viable institution, and who hurts, faculty and ultimately students. Being a Soci Prof is really a zero growth industry. I see how the upper crust (Admin) weight departmnets and teh fact that not many Soci bring in the big grants that STREM does is a factor often discussed. I don't know, it just is sad to see still such great competition. What is worse is teh cherry picking attitude that many Soci programs have, knowing that this backlog so PhDs allows them to get a Asst Prof who 10 years a go would have never thought about applying at certain institutions. It just sucks when Admins have biased views of programs and make poor, poor decisions that prevent god social scientist form realizing their potential. Make sure you have some grants under your belt.
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Post by DrinkingKoolAid on Sept 7, 2011 11:19:50 GMT -5
Listen, I know things are tough. I get that...but what else am I supposed to do? I spent the past 8 years in grad school, studying a sub-field of a sub-field. I have no business background, I have no law background, I have no computer programming background, I can't even do HVAC. All I can do is lecture, make up tests and research. And, there are jobs being released more so (it seems). My only concern with that is I hope, I hope not many get pulled. I heard Villanova pulled their position that was posted. Still, what am I to do...but go forward and hope for the best. Pray for us all.
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Post by The Bumble on Dec 23, 2011 9:34:42 GMT -5
Not to mention junior faculty whop took a job they dislike in bubble-f*ck town so they can wait out the market till something better comes along- this market is so messed up. FYI, it should be 'bumble-fuck' town (not positive on the hyphen). Although bubble-fuck town sounds hawt. www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bumble%20Fuck(Yes, I realize it's not wikipedia quality, but whatevah) |
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Post by The Bumble Tard on Dec 23, 2011 10:28:52 GMT -5
Not to mention junior faculty whop took a job they dislike in bubble-f*ck town so they can wait out the market till something better comes along- this market is so messed up. FYI, it should be 'bumble-fuck' town (not positive on the hyphen). Although bubble-fuck town sounds hawt. www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bumble%20Fuck(Yes, I realize it's not wikipedia quality, but whatevah) Your extraordinary insight was totally worth reviving this thread! |
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Post by The Bumble on Dec 23, 2011 17:48:22 GMT -5
Your extraordinary insight was totally worth reviving this thread! Ha! Touche. Is it too late to blame the hangover? Didn't realize how many pages 'in' I was on the forum until I clicked post reply. Apologies all around. |
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