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Post by ok on Mar 1, 2012 14:24:19 GMT -5
To bring up a small tangent, is there any other way to describe that type of tattoo? The only other term I've heard is ho-tat, which is not exactly better.
For those who do not know, this type of tattoo is specifically (and exclusively) one that would be visible in that same region as the thong that would also be visible over the overly low rider jeans worn by your more clueless inappropriate undergraduate ladies.
I would also like to point out that at least in the case of the tramp stamps and pierced nips, those are.... deliberate lifestyle signifiers and if you accidentally got one without knowing the significations of such, then perhaps you need more specific help than this forum can provide.
IOW, I don't think that there are too many ladies who get a tramp stamp "not knowing" of exactly the low-waisted jeans + thong effect.
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Post by feminism has its limits on Mar 1, 2012 15:15:12 GMT -5
Yep, as another folk who does crim, it does seem that crim folk, in general, are less uptight about PC language compared to other soc disciplines. I actually find it much more refreshing, since I don't have to think about how every particular turn of phrase might be offense to someone somewhere at sometime (e.g. Husband vs. Partner). Also, I'm not quite sure why using the terms 'tramp stamp' and 'pierced taint' would be so shocking to a candidate, female or not. The former is an incredibly common description of a certain type of tattoo that's incredibly common (at least in the US), and while it does have a 'value judgement' in the term 'tramp', it's such a common expression that, at this point, I consider it much more descriptive than judgmental. The latter is simply a description of a pierced bodypart, albeit probably offensive in thought to good christian children. Just because something is a common expression, does not mean that it is not degrading. There is judgement in the description, both when the term came about, and still when it is being used. Would you use other expressions that denote racist, rather than sexist ideas? As for those who are attacking me for being PC; do you think that should we not be PC at all and readily use all kinds of racist and sexist language? Or only for certain words? Isn't "tramp" a pretty loaded word? I have never heard more BS than women deliberately doing things with the intent of being sexy and then complaining about being viewed as sex objects. The ONLY reason to get a tattoo on the lower back is because it is socially viewed as an emblem of sexuality, so get outta here with that nonsense about it being sexist for people to speak about it as such. |
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Post by feminist too on Mar 1, 2012 15:19:03 GMT -5
Just because something is a common expression, does not mean that it is not degrading. There is judgement in the description, both when the term came about, and still when it is being used. Would you use other expressions that denote racist, rather than sexist ideas? As for those who are attacking me for being PC; do you think that should we not be PC at all and readily use all kinds of racist and sexist language? Or only for certain words? Isn't "tramp" a pretty loaded word? I have never heard more BS than women deliberately doing things with the intent of being sexy and then complaining about being viewed as sex objects. The ONLY reason to get a tattoo on the lower back is because it is socially viewed as an emblem of sexuality, so get outta here with that nonsense about it being sexist for people to speak about it as such. Being sexual/showing sexuality = being a tramp? Hello!!! |
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Post by ok on Mar 1, 2012 16:21:05 GMT -5
^ Time and place matters though, and a job interview is not the place to overtly reference your sexuality. Wasn't there a recent study on flirting and lower offered salaries?
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Post by feminist on Mar 1, 2012 16:52:17 GMT -5
^ Time and place matters though, and a job interview is not the place to overtly reference your sexuality. Wasn't there a recent study on flirting and lower offered salaries? -- you are blaming the women, but the person referencing these tattoos was coming from the standpoint of the interviewer. (Saying s/he would like to know if the candidate had any, not that they saw the tattoo). Inappropriate; as was the language used to describe a lower back tattoo. |
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Post by feminism has its limits on Mar 1, 2012 17:37:15 GMT -5
I have never heard more BS than women deliberately doing things with the intent of being sexy and then complaining about being viewed as sex objects. The ONLY reason to get a tattoo on the lower back is because it is socially viewed as an emblem of sexuality, so get outta here with that nonsense about it being sexist for people to speak about it as such. Being sexual/showing sexuality = being a tramp? Hello!!! Personally, I don't give a damn if somebody engages in costumed orgies in his or her free time. What I am speaking to is the protest over people making sexual references in response to what is clearly and explicitly an expression of sexuality. I also laugh at the assertion that women don't know and, indeed, celebrate what society considers "slutty"; witness the Halloween costumes with nicknames such as "Strawberry Slutcake" as evidence of this. Yes, any woman who gets such a tattoo knows exactly what it implies and wants exactly that type of reaction, so stop being indignant about it or cover the damn thing up when on an interview. I sure as hell can't show up on an interview wearing a tight muscle shirt and then complain about not being taken seriously, can I? |
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Post by shirley on Mar 1, 2012 18:15:08 GMT -5
I sure as hell can't show up on an interview wearing a tight muscle shirt and then complain about not being taken seriously, can I? Read the thread. Nobody is complaining about people showing up for interviews with their lower back tattoos exposed, and then being sexualized in an unwelcome way. That could be a different complaint, but it is not this one. The problem is the weird fascination with the unexposed lower backs and perineums of interviewees. Surely you could complain if you wanted to talk about chapter two where you make this cool argument and the person interviewing you was trying to discern whether those nipples of yours were pierced? |
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Post by feminism has its limits on Mar 1, 2012 18:22:24 GMT -5
I sure as hell can't show up on an interview wearing a tight muscle shirt and then complain about not being taken seriously, can I? Read the thread. Nobody is complaining about people showing up for interviews with their lower back tattoos exposed, and then being sexualized in an unwelcome way. That could be a different complaint, but it is not this one. The problem is the weird fascination with the unexposed lower backs and perineums of interviewees. Surely you could complain if you wanted to talk about chapter two where you make this cool argument and the person interviewing you was trying to discern whether those nipples of yours were pierced? If the issue is that someone showed up to an interview and interviewers were preoccupied with wondering what she looked like without clothes on, then what you are addressing would be the main issue, but there most certainly was a spell of redressing people for referring to a lower back tattoo as a tramp stamp, which is what I was addressing. We also are chatting in a thread that began with someone asking about covering up tattoos and piercings, so my line of reply is very much in line with this. |
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Post by shirley on Mar 1, 2012 18:36:27 GMT -5
I know if I was on a search committee I would want to know if a candidate has a tramp stamp or a pierced taint. ;D ...Isn't that what the one-on-one faculty meetings are for  ? (Security code: "Thumbs up" .... up what?) Context would seem to matter here. This was the original use of the term. The term "tramp stamp" is being used to sexualize, and thus is being used in its most objectionable way. I wouldn't use it at all as I find it sort of demeaning, and while that sort of tattoo has clear sexual connotations as you suggest, why does it always have to be glossed in a way that tears (especially) women down, even if in a cliched and tired way. But in everyday chat I wouldn't jump down someone's throat over it. If someone used it as introduced into this thread, though, you bet I would complain. And I would be right to do so. |
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Post by anony on Mar 1, 2012 19:46:32 GMT -5
That's complete BS. I have a lower back tattoo and sometimes jokingly refer to it as a tramp stamp. But have I EVER worn low rise jeans and thongs? No. Did I get it bc it's an emblem of sexuality? Hell no. I liked the placement even though its known for that. Don't speak in absolutes.
Also, why on earth would a lower back tattoo ever be seen on an interview? That's ridiculous.
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Post by absurd on Mar 2, 2012 8:59:21 GMT -5
Yeah. Some of y'all are sounding old, mighty conservative, and out of touch in this thread. A tattoo on the lower back by itself signifies nothing today. It does not mean a woman is a slut, or she's asking for it, or whatever else you might think. Get over yourselves.
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Post by ok on Mar 2, 2012 9:28:28 GMT -5
So is there a PG-13 name for that type of tattoo? Inquiring minds would like to know.
I should also add that I don't care about tattoos, have a piercing, and simultaneously feel that some of the more extreme ones are too much for an interview.
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Post by stupid on Mar 2, 2012 9:33:21 GMT -5
This whole threat is ridiculous - and "OK"'s trolling is getting tired.
How about "lower-back tattoo"? What a douchebag.
Back to the main topic: cover your shit up, get the job, be as crazy as you want once the contract is signed.
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Post by CHURCH on Mar 2, 2012 9:54:22 GMT -5
Amen! I agree with the above poster.
Damn, sociologists, you guys really can be annoying sometimes.
(And for the record, I'm a feminist, woman of color, who has visible piercings.)
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Post by stupidtatsarestupidtats on Mar 2, 2012 10:54:53 GMT -5
Also, I'm not quite sure why using the terms 'tramp stamp' and 'pierced taint' would be so shocking to a candidate, female or not. The former is an incredibly common description of a certain type of tattoo that's incredibly common (at least in the US), and while it does have a 'value judgement' in the term 'tramp', it's such a common expression that, at this point, I consider it much more descriptive than judgmental. The latter is simply a description of a pierced bodypart, albeit probably offensive in thought to good christian children. It's not the term itself. It's the banter that suggests, first that you would want to know about a candidates nether bits if you were on a search committee, presumably because you want to fuck or think about fucking whoever you give the job to, and then second that this is the sort of thing that one can pursue in one on one meetings. Maybe you can fuck without even having to hire or be on the search committee! It's not an excess of political correctness to make fun of such sleazy, degrading, and escalating comments. It's not wrong to call out such cretinous threat-jokes to engage in sexual harassments, especially on an anonymous message boards where any other sanctions are unavailable. It's not boys being boys or crim folk being crim folk. It's people using anonymity to act like nasty little runts. Luckily they are probably also stupid so will make fools of themselves when they respond! First of all "lighten up Francis". I don't think anyone here needs you to do a gender deconstruction for us. Funny how you automatically assumed that a) I was male and b) that my intention was lascivious. It was a joke and meant to be a reflection on the types of stupid things people do to their bodies in their early 20s. A stupid tattoo is a stupid tattoo. Note that I am not saying that all tattoos or piercing are stupid. But "tramp stamps" as they are colloquially referred to are the very archetype of bad 20 year old decision making. But so are barbed wire arm-band tats, any asian symbol for anything, or any tattoo involving a butterfly or the tasmanian devil. |
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