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Post by punk rock sociologist on Feb 29, 2012 19:42:16 GMT -5
to hmm2's comment:
Refusing to cover up for the interview won't accomplish anything long term. If covering up my body modifications for a few days until I get hired means the admin is more comfortable hiring an anarchist sociologist, it seems like a worthwhile effort. I think I'll be able to create a community more supportive of non-normativity by being on the faculty, as opposed to "sticking to my guns" and risking the position over something comparatively superficial.
Incidentally, I know that I will be on several search committees over the next few years and I will be looking with an appreciative eye for signs of ink and tell tale holes. Oh yeah, and I guess quality scholarship.
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Post by tatted on Feb 29, 2012 20:25:37 GMT -5
Hmm, this must be what it is like to be a minority, except one cannot cover up or hide one's minority status. Just saying. I'm a racial minority as well. Funny thing is that the admin seems to think that I am an exception or something. I think I'm of average intelligence (and even below average in comparison to some of my peers from grad school), but the very conservative white admin think that I "seem to be a really intelligent person" (yes, this is word-for-word from a specific admin at my college).
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Post by hmmm on Feb 29, 2012 23:25:07 GMT -5
I know if I was on a search committee I would want to know if a candidate has a tramp stamp or a pierced taint. ;D
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Post by well on Feb 29, 2012 23:45:23 GMT -5
I know if I was on a search committee I would want to know if a candidate has a tramp stamp or a pierced taint. ;D ...Isn't that what the one-on-one faculty meetings are for ? (Security code: "Thumbs up" .... up what?)
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Post by feminist on Mar 1, 2012 10:11:31 GMT -5
I know if I was on a search committee I would want to know if a candidate has a tramp stamp or a pierced taint. ;D And as a feminist candidate, I would want to know if someone on a search committee would use this language.
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Post by anony on Mar 1, 2012 10:31:16 GMT -5
Pretty sure the OP was being sarcastic
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Post by crim folk on Mar 1, 2012 10:40:09 GMT -5
I know if I was on a search committee I would want to know if a candidate has a tramp stamp or a pierced taint. ;D And as a feminist candidate, I would want to know if someone on a search committee would use this language. From experience, some of the crim folk are more apt to talking like this but not on an interview. I'm not saying that ALL crim folk do this. I'm just saying that from MY experience from "shootin' the shits" with people, crim people are a bit looser with their words. Of course, I've heard race scholars say racist shit before too, so there are plenty of hypocrites out there just like in all of society.
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Post by another crim folk on Mar 1, 2012 11:57:25 GMT -5
And as a feminist candidate, I would want to know if someone on a search committee would use this language. From experience, some of the crim folk are more apt to talking like this but not on an interview. I'm not saying that ALL crim folk do this. I'm just saying that from MY experience from "shootin' the shits" with people, crim people are a bit looser with their words. Of course, I've heard race scholars say racist shit before too, so there are plenty of hypocrites out there just like in all of society. Yep, as another folk who does crim, it does seem that crim folk, in general, are less uptight about PC language compared to other soc disciplines. I actually find it much more refreshing, since I don't have to think about how every particular turn of phrase might be offense to someone somewhere at sometime (e.g. Husband vs. Partner). Also, I'm not quite sure why using the terms 'tramp stamp' and 'pierced taint' would be so shocking to a candidate, female or not. The former is an incredibly common description of a certain type of tattoo that's incredibly common (at least in the US), and while it does have a 'value judgement' in the term 'tramp', it's such a common expression that, at this point, I consider it much more descriptive than judgmental. The latter is simply a description of a pierced bodypart, albeit probably offensive in thought to good christian children.
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Post by sleazy on Mar 1, 2012 12:32:16 GMT -5
Also, I'm not quite sure why using the terms 'tramp stamp' and 'pierced taint' would be so shocking to a candidate, female or not. The former is an incredibly common description of a certain type of tattoo that's incredibly common (at least in the US), and while it does have a 'value judgement' in the term 'tramp', it's such a common expression that, at this point, I consider it much more descriptive than judgmental. The latter is simply a description of a pierced bodypart, albeit probably offensive in thought to good christian children. It's not the term itself. It's the banter that suggests, first that you would want to know about a candidates nether bits if you were on a search committee, presumably because you want to fuck or think about fucking whoever you give the job to, and then second that this is the sort of thing that one can pursue in one on one meetings. Maybe you can fuck without even having to hire or be on the search committee! It's not an excess of political correctness to make fun of such sleazy, degrading, and escalating comments. It's not wrong to call out such cretinous threat-jokes to engage in sexual harassments, especially on an anonymous message boards where any other sanctions are unavailable. It's not boys being boys or crim folk being crim folk. It's people using anonymity to act like nasty little runts. Luckily they are probably also stupid so will make fools of themselves when they respond!
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Post by ahhh on Mar 1, 2012 12:37:53 GMT -5
It's not the term itself. It's the banter that suggests, first that you would want to know about a candidates nether bits if you were on a search committee, presumably because you want to fuck or think about fucking whoever you give the job to, and then second that this is the sort of thing that one can pursue in one on one meetings. Maybe you can fuck without even having to hire or be on the search committee! It's not an excess of political correctness to make fun of such sleazy, degrading, and escalating comments. It's not wrong to call out such cretinous threat-jokes to engage in sexual harassments, especially on an anonymous message boards where any other sanctions are unavailable. It's not boys being boys or crim folk being crim folk. It's people using anonymity to act like nasty little runts. Luckily they are probably also stupid so will make fools of themselves when they respond! Ahh, I see. Your a "Sociologist" (note the capital S and the pinky finger extended).
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Post by feminist on Mar 1, 2012 12:53:28 GMT -5
From experience, some of the crim folk are more apt to talking like this but not on an interview. I'm not saying that ALL crim folk do this. I'm just saying that from MY experience from "shootin' the shits" with people, crim people are a bit looser with their words. Of course, I've heard race scholars say racist shit before too, so there are plenty of hypocrites out there just like in all of society. Yep, as another folk who does crim, it does seem that crim folk, in general, are less uptight about PC language compared to other soc disciplines. I actually find it much more refreshing, since I don't have to think about how every particular turn of phrase might be offense to someone somewhere at sometime (e.g. Husband vs. Partner). Also, I'm not quite sure why using the terms 'tramp stamp' and 'pierced taint' would be so shocking to a candidate, female or not. The former is an incredibly common description of a certain type of tattoo that's incredibly common (at least in the US), and while it does have a 'value judgement' in the term 'tramp', it's such a common expression that, at this point, I consider it much more descriptive than judgmental. The latter is simply a description of a pierced bodypart, albeit probably offensive in thought to good christian children. Just because something is a common expression, does not mean that it is not degrading. There is judgement in the description, both when the term came about, and still when it is being used. Would you use other expressions that denote racist, rather than sexist ideas? As for those who are attacking me for being PC; do you think that should we not be PC at all and readily use all kinds of racist and sexist language? Or only for certain words? Isn't "tramp" a pretty loaded word?
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Post by eh on Mar 1, 2012 12:56:25 GMT -5
As for those who are attacking me for being PC; do you think that should we not be PC at all and readily use all kinds of racist and sexist language? Or only for certain words? Isn't tramp a pretty loaded word?If you're from the 1940's, then absolutely.
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Post by sleazy on Mar 1, 2012 12:59:33 GMT -5
Luckily they are probably also stupid so will make fools of themselves when they respond! Ahh, I see. Your a "Sociologist" (note the capital S and the pinky finger extended). Holy shit. With predictive powers like this I need to play me some lottery.
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Post by feminist on Mar 1, 2012 13:02:25 GMT -5
As for those who are attacking me for being PC; do you think that should we not be PC at all and readily use all kinds of racist and sexist language? Or only for certain words? Isn't tramp a pretty loaded word?If you're from the 1940's, then absolutely. Ok, then you go ahead and use that term in your professional interactions and see where that gets you.
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Post by back to topic on Mar 1, 2012 13:27:39 GMT -5
Are posters assuming there is no such thing as someone who is a racial minority, a woman and has piercings and tattoos? C'mon now folks, lets move out of binaries thinking just like we encourage our students to do.
Back to the original question: i suggest you go as conservative as comfortable. some people re-dye their hair toward a more natural color. I'vae had friends who have replaced their huge amazing wedding rings with simpler bands to avoid that being topic of convo). others only have tattoos in spots that a search committee shouldn't be able to see anyway....
But In general, you want your scholarship and your potential contributions to the field, classroom, and department to stand out in people's mind when they think of your visit, not that you had a really interesting tattoo.
Committees think of all unfair reasons to not offer candidates jobs-you don't want to add to that. You can take the high road and just let it all hang out, but you may not get a job and it is more difficult to change the academy if you aren't actually in it....Older people in departments retire and then newer generation gets to make changes, but only if they are there in the first place (i know can't assume newer folks aren't conservative or prone to be offended by piercings but you get my point).
and if you are racist, sexist, homophobic and want to get a job then at least play the game and avoid language that is regarded as offensive. You can gripe all you want about being "PC" (or respectful as others may call it) but if you show potential colleagues that when you are putting your best foot forward on a visit you can't be diplomatic they may wonder what it will be like you are in the job. in the time of student lawsuits, camera phones, etc, a professor talking in class about students' "tramp stamps" or "colored people" or whatever, that could be a liability to the dept even if all the faculty agree with you.
That said, don't go so conservative that you lose yourself. because when you get the job, you have to keep it and 6 years is a long time to keep up a facade.
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