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Post by same on Nov 12, 2011 23:50:38 GMT -5
I had the same experience as the above two posters. General questions in the first call a few weeks ago, and a 30 minute phone interview last week.
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Post by ClarionCandidate on Nov 14, 2011 18:45:01 GMT -5
I, too, was among those who had a phone interview with Clarion. A couple thoughts here:
1. I found the process of the "surprise" phone interview rather unprofessional. This idea of calling folks up in the evenings and on weekends and conducting a job interview without notice is- to say the least- unorthodox.
2. There were A LOT of questions about why in the world (to paraphrase) one would want to come to rural Western PA. It wasn't/isn't an issue at all for me, but this line of questioning had the effect of making the job seem less attractive to me.
3. Based on some of the discussion that took place, I am a bit dubious about the referred to 18 candidates on their short list. One gets the impression that there were fewer than 18 whom they called.
Hope to get a campus interview nonetheless. Good luck to all!
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Post by good luck on Nov 14, 2011 18:48:14 GMT -5
You refer to the search members as unprofessional but then state that you hope that you get an on-campus interview. Are you serious? You do know that this is a public forum read by...you guessed it..search committee members. It's not 1997. You may want to be more careful about your approach to public information.
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Post by ballsy on Nov 14, 2011 18:59:25 GMT -5
I'm impressed by your willingness to so quickly judge a search committee based on one interaction. Your critiques seem very unaware of the issues that a LOT of departments out there are dealing with in the search process. Most small/rural schools are spending a considerable portion of their discretionary budgets any time they conduct a faculty search. They have a strong interest (as do departments just about anywhere, for that matter) in being sure the people they land will stick. The questions you see odd (#2) are especially helpful for these sorts of schools in differentiating people who want their job from those who see it as some sort of consolation prize. They have a vested interest in finding the former and weeding out the latter. There are plenty of people out there who would love to land at Clarion or somewhere similar, and this is one of the ways the committee has to try to find those people.
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Post by mooo on Nov 14, 2011 19:29:08 GMT -5
As candidates, particularly early on in the process, we have few interactions with departments and still need to formulate opinions with limited information. If you think it is in any way appropriate to conduct phone interviews without notice outside of business hours, it really speaks to your disrespect to the applicant pool. The situation of your department is irrelevant to treating applicants like cattle. It is basic common courtesy to someone who will likely be a future colleague. Some of us have obligations that make it difficult to operate at your whims. Show a little respect. Or at least don't get offended when your unacceptable and rude behavior is posted in public place. The entire purpose of this forum is exactly that. It is a way to empower candidates since so many departments exploit the one-sided nature of the job market.
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Post by ballsy on Nov 14, 2011 19:34:23 GMT -5
Now you're convinced that just because I defended the actions of the SC that somehow I'm on the committee? Strike two. In fact, I'm a searcher, just like you. It would just appear that I do not have quite as large a stick up my ass as you.
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Post by mooo on Nov 14, 2011 19:48:23 GMT -5
The post by 'good luck' very clearly stated she/he is a search committee member, and given the defensive reaction both of you had to some legitimate (and some whiny) complaints, it isn't exactly a stretch.
And yes, I clearly have a stick up my ass because I don't defend obnoxious behavior and expect basic collegiality from a search committee. It is actually a pool cue, FYI, and it is up there sideways. Feels good man.
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Post by good luck on Nov 14, 2011 19:55:01 GMT -5
No, not an sc member (and never in my post did I say I was an sc member). Just pointing out to you that sc members read this forum and that you may want to be more careful in how you share information. Something as simple as the timing of your post can give a hint to someone as to your identity. Is that a stretch? Possibly. But do you want to even take that chance in a market this competitive?
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Post by ClarionCandidate on Nov 14, 2011 20:58:02 GMT -5
I'm the poster from above who offered my thoughts about the interview.
The points raised by the subsequent posters here are well taken and certainly can and do take into account the issues faced by the department (logistical, financial, available time).
The manner in which I raised my concerns was meant to (perhaps more artfully) convey my feeling -- like all of us -- of being treated without what I consider to be a reasonable amount of respect under very stressful circumstances.
Perhaps more than anything, I guess I intended to get some feedback about how unusual this particular practice (cold calling) was as I've had a few phone interviews and have never heard of this thing- nor have any of my colleagues.
Finally, the very last thing I intended to do was to in anyway commit, incite or provide the opportunity for trollism and negativity. Much love to Clarion and all the candidates. I know that SC is likely stressed, we're all stressed and it was certainly not my intention to raise the temperature in that situation.
I'll try harder to bring more light than heat next time, brothers and sisters.
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Post by guest1111 on Nov 21, 2011 15:36:57 GMT -5
Has anyone been called in for an on-campus interview?
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Post by Anon on Nov 21, 2011 15:45:13 GMT -5
Candidates for on-campus interviews have been contacted/scheduled.
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Post by news on Jan 19, 2012 11:08:15 GMT -5
Any news on this? Have they made an offer?
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Post by A Little Birdy on Jan 19, 2012 17:45:52 GMT -5
I was told that the offer was extended to a friend of a friend after a campus visit- who declined it.
I gather that they've extended the offer to their second ranked candidate and so on.
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Post by any update on Jan 26, 2012 11:30:28 GMT -5
Any further info on this job?
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Post by dontdoit on Jan 26, 2012 13:14:04 GMT -5
Regardless of market constraints, I strongly advise everyone to think twice before accepting a position here.
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