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Post by doomed on Apr 10, 2014 11:17:30 GMT -5
Honestly, after sending out over 50 applications to jobs on 3 continents already this year, and having only three interviews (all of which were bust), suicide somehow seems a legitimate option. My career is over before it started. Why continue? What hope is there in this market?
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Post by wtf on Apr 10, 2014 11:23:21 GMT -5
50 apps yielded 3 interviews? That's pretty good, actually. When I was on the market two years ago, 110 applications yielded 4 interviews and 1 offer.
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Post by Cheerleader on Apr 10, 2014 11:34:03 GMT -5
Dear Doomed: I feel your misery, I have been there myself. This year's job search has definitely taken an emotional toll on all of us. I feel like I have been on an emotional roller coaster that I cannot jump off of. Do not give up hope! I am sure you are great! You have a lot to offer a department and students. Two weeks ago, I also considered suicide. Nothing seemed to be happening after 16 phone interviews and 4 on-campus interviews. All of a sudden, things changed. I now have one offer, and three more on-campus interviews. So hang on! Go for a walk, go hang out with a friend, do something other than searching for a position. This year has been brutal, there are been MANY internal candidates making it even more difficult for outsiders. This is the reason I placed as the number two candidate three times this year. Do not lose hope! Academia is a tough place to be. You have to be tough as nails on the job market, play the bulls$%# political games, and hold your confidence. This is my second time on the market, take it from someone who knows. It would also do you some good to get off this board. I know it tempting to jump on here. When I was at my lowest, I forced myself to stop looking at this board. I found it made me feel worse about my situation to hear about everyone else's accomplishments. Please hang in there!!! I know this is tough, we need to be here for each other.
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Post by Don't Despair on Apr 10, 2014 11:42:22 GMT -5
I hear you. I was on the market for four years and probably sent out close to 150 applications each of the final two years. Had over 10 failed campus visits before I was able to land what is actually a pretty awesome job. Its hard not to let the rejection get to you- I was in a very dark place towards the end of my search.
I don't know enough about your situation to really give you advice but the fact that you were able to get three interviews in and of itself is evidence that you are doing something right and should keep at it (tons of my old grad school colleagues have been at this for multiple years with ZERO interviews- phone or campus- if that's the case you should probably be looking at potential exit strategies). As long as you are still publishing and being productive you will remain marketable. As an aside two of my advisors who are now leaders in their respective subfields took multiple years to land TT gigs in what was a much much more favorable market.
Also don't equate not getting an offer with failure. While it is not entirely random in many cases who gets the offer is not necessarily the best candidate. Tons of SLACs and smaller places think that if you publish you must not take teaching seriously. It may also be an issue of fit or that the administration is pushing hard for a diversity hire. Take a look at the records of people who got hired at the type of institution you would like to wind up at- if you are in the same ballpark there is certainly hope.
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Post by SocPhD on Apr 10, 2014 17:36:02 GMT -5
If it makes you feel any better to hear of someone who is doing worse than you, I've applied to about 35 so far and this has yielded zero interviews. So, I can surely empathize with your situation. Please don't consider suicide! It may not seem like it now -- and it may sound trite to say it -- but there *is* life beyond sociology and academia!
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Post by ybotha on May 9, 2014 15:19:24 GMT -5
Honestly, after sending out over 50 applications to jobs on 3 continents already this year, and having only three interviews (all of which were bust), suicide somehow seems a legitimate option. My career is over before it started. Why continue? What hope is there in this market? Amen. Six years of sending out letters and filling out online applications and not getting one interview. Only made it on to a short list once for a VAP job at a conservative Christian school where I couldn't honestly sign the doctrinal statement. Maybe someone somewhere is trying to tell me something. I've only written/edited five books and 10 articles in refereed journals. So it goes....
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Post by 2014-2015 on Nov 5, 2014 19:34:00 GMT -5
Has anyone been crunching this for this time around? It seems that there are disproportionately more crim jobs this time, but it would be helpful to have numbers to confirm/deny that.
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Post by doing other stuff on Nov 9, 2014 21:29:14 GMT -5
this nonsense is such a f#%#%ing joke, and i feel the dejection/despair too, but suicide??!? while certainly horrifyingly disappointed by the illusion that publishing a bunch in grad school would lead to any sniff of employment (btw not warning potential grad students of what this is really about at the outset IS IMMORAL and needs to change), I will say I find some sense of consolation in knowing that Ill otherwise actually be able to move just about anywhere I want to if Im not in academia, probably meet great people, and likewise probably continue to have great times. money isnt everything, and this ivory tower is especially nothing to any individual that is actually well-pieced together. I may be a completely abject impoverished failure stocking your groceries for scraps in the very near future, but Ill easily find community/entrenchment beyond what is on offer at whatever weird college located in the middle of nowhere working underneath the dictating politics/egos that order this discipline. there is a silver lining to being turned down by many of these places.
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Post by Anybody out there? on Jul 19, 2016 15:55:28 GMT -5
Hey archivist, How are we doing on the jobs this year so far? Thanks!
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Post by notarchivist on Jul 19, 2016 23:46:50 GMT -5
I am not archivist, and archivist himself has pointed out some of the limitations of his methods. That said, last I checked there were 39 position pages posted on the month of July at the job bank. If we assume that the end of the month will be busier than the beginning of the month, it is likely that July 2016 will fall somewhere between 10-11 and 12-13 in terms of jobs. Of course, it is impossible to know what to make of it because my experience, along with some data here and at the ASA, seem to indicate that we are moving to a slightly later market cycle (look at Archivist's old data and you will see a shift in terms of busiest month from July to September/October).
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Post by game on Feb 4, 2020 14:54:13 GMT -5
I had more than a dozen ph interviews. No "luck" yet. It's all f****** game--in most cases, the search committee knows who are they going to hire. Shortlist does not really mean anything meaningful. Best wishes.
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Post by ani on Apr 4, 2024 11:08:42 GMT -5
check out mybridge.me.
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