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Post by sociologyispublic on Mar 20, 2014 13:00:57 GMT -5
I've noticed that SJMR is starting to get lots of posts and traffic, and this is making me very concerned. That site does not have the good rules and mods that this site does. Do they not realize that sociologists are different than economists and political scientists and we need the rules and censorship so job market secrets are kept and nobody's feelings are hurt? I know I don't want information on the job market if I'm not sure it won't hurt others. Also, talking about the quality of hires or scholars like they do on that other site is inappropriate and mean if it isn't positive.
So, I hope ElDuderino and the mods don't change a thing about this site, and nobody uses SJMR, because it is an inappropriate site. Fellow sociologists, please promote this site with your colleagues for next year! This should be the main site for the job market, and these should be the norms and rules that we abide by as professional sociologists.
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Post by really? on Mar 20, 2014 13:23:24 GMT -5
Thanks for the lecture.
I don't think anyone uses the other site for jobs related information- as there is relatively little that gets posted there concerning the job market.
While I find a lot of the trolling and personal attacks on the other site obnoxious (FWIW they have decreased significantly over time), it, unlike this site, has several interesting intellectual debates and discussions.
Finally, given that your guest name is 'sociologyispublic' I find it slightly ironic that you claim that we need "censorship so...[that] secrets are kept"- perhaps a bit antithetical to the importance of open discussion and transparency??
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Post by hah on Mar 20, 2014 13:36:16 GMT -5
If this other site was doing that well, you wouldn't need such a pathetic, transparent attempt to promote it here. "Hey guys, let's not hang out at that other forum with all that free discussion, let's hang out here with all the secrets and the censorship. I really mean it!!!"
Even this other forum has basic rules and posts that are deleted from time to time. Funny that you don't think of that as censorship. Asking to not post names while negotiations are in progress is basic decency, as is deleting names if the person requests it.
The bottom line is that this forum will always have better information, no matter how hard you try to promote it. Because I certainly wouldn't share any information I had about any searches or hires if it is only for the inevitable jobless sad sacks to tear them apart anonymously.
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Post by sarcasm on Mar 20, 2014 13:43:37 GMT -5
In case it wasn't obvious, the point of this thread is to advertise for that other site, and the first post was sarcastic. There's a long-running theme over there that this forum is full of censorship, governed by unreasonable dictatorship, and the "don't name names" rule is incredibly oppressive. It also has a strong bias against scholarship that focuses on race or gender (identity issues), and several posters there often deride the use of qualitative methods. If anybody really does feel more comfortable on a site that feels like a Parsonian-era smoke room, more power to them.
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Post by wellwellwell on Mar 21, 2014 0:28:13 GMT -5
I like the other site.
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Post by Groan on Mar 21, 2014 2:11:17 GMT -5
It's a student forum. I hope.
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Post by NothingCanStopThis on Mar 21, 2014 8:45:20 GMT -5
The world is closing in
Did you ever think
That we could be so close, like brothers
The future's in the air
I can feel it everywhere
Blowing with the wind of change
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Post by yes on Mar 21, 2014 9:54:51 GMT -5
It's a student forum. I hope. Yes, but the students seem to be an even mix of undergraduate majors and first/second-year grad students. Lots of questions about how to pick the right grad school, what advice you would give, what's your favorite article... (That helps explain the obsession with prestige and rankings). Only a few posters there seems to have any actual experience on the job market, and they're spending most of their time tearing into those who got hired. There are some interesting discussions there at time, but you have to pick your way through a lot of dreck to find them. The expressed biases denigrating women/minorities are unbearable. |
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Post by Yes x 2 on Mar 21, 2014 17:03:57 GMT -5
Agree with everything said above. Would add that the first year grad student bias is also unbearable.
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Post by Robert Van Winkle on Mar 23, 2014 22:35:46 GMT -5
The world is closing in Did you ever think That we could be so close, like brothers The future's in the air I can feel it everywhere Blowing with the wind of change GD much? |
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Post by Robert Van Winkle on Mar 27, 2014 22:16:03 GMT -5
The vitriol on that board is unbelievable. I can't believe these people are vying to be tomorrow's teachers and scholars.
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Post by Troll on Mar 28, 2014 2:12:03 GMT -5
Don't feed the troll.
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Post by baffled on Dec 7, 2015 19:35:30 GMT -5
So... the SJMR Job Market boards list dozens of offers and hires. Why nothing here??
This post was originally submitted in a new thread named "Seriously... why isn't more here?" Because I think one thread devoted to SJMR is plenty, I've moved that (and the subsequent responses) here.
As a friendly reminder, we're not really interested in promoting forum wars here. Thoughtful discussion of the differences between the two boards is fine, as we observe below, but once we start getting into name-calling (i.e. the common "cesspool" refrain) we're probably just inviting more trolling.
-- Archivist
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Post by lazy? on Dec 7, 2015 21:14:29 GMT -5
People too lazy to copy-paste the info?
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Post by also puzzled on Dec 7, 2015 23:16:43 GMT -5
The larger issue is the strange dynamic that seems to have played out in which people post useful, respectful and better organized information/updates here, on a wider range of jobs than are of interest within the status jockeying that goes on over there. Probably by and for people who are put off by that corrosive, often juvenile culture. Yet almost all discussion happens over there...despite the fact that it is adrift in a sea of garbage around it. And I don't mean just "naming names." Good important questions do get more views and strong thoughtful responses over there, which is unfortunate given the rancor and immaturity that looms over them.
I'd certainly be glad to see more of the discussion migrate back to saner waters. I imagine many have gotten sucked in by the entertainment of watching the trainwreck it can be. I'd personally rather converse in a less toxic atmosphere.
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