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McGill
Jan 13, 2014 12:12:53 GMT -5
Post by Homer on Jan 13, 2014 12:12:53 GMT -5
Having top level publications is a good thing if you're applying to a top research institution. Having lots of publications is a good thing if you're applying to a top research institution. But if that were the only criteria, we wouldn't need search committees. I'm sure some programs just figure out how long the CV is, but you're evaluating whether the scholar shows future promise. There's a lot of qualitative assumptions that go into that, among other things. By the way, let's not forget that McGill isn't in any US-based ranking systems. So saying that they're "punching above their weight" assumes that we know how they compare to programs in the US. And Montreal is an awfully nice place, especially if you like Europe but want to stay on this side of the ocean. Generally speaking, I just think there are many, many more factors on both sides of the equation we'd need to know before we feel comfortable making commentary like this. Takes one to know one!
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McGill
Jan 13, 2014 13:59:35 GMT -5
Post by canuck on Jan 13, 2014 13:59:35 GMT -5
I was also surprised when I saw this person's cv. I'm sure a top 40 dept like McGil couldn't have hired somebody with this profile before the 2008 recession. At the same time, I am at a top dept conducting multilple hires and only about half of candidates have this kind of resume. There were actually some candidates that had no pubs at all but that were invited because their dissertations seemed interesting. So the level of competition has certainly increased but there's still some variance even at the top. McGill would only be Top-40 by U.S. standards? Ha! McGill doesn't get ranked by US News, ASA or any other U.S. organization for obvious reasons, so there's no direct comparison for sociology or any other field. I haven't checked the world university rankings in a while, but I remember seeing McGill in the top 25 universities in the WORLD overall a few years ago. So, to say that it wouldn't be Top-40 among U.S. universities for sociology, while possible, is extremely unlikely. What's more likely is that we're once again seeing the insular perspectives inculcated within U.S. universities reveal themselves on this board, and the inability to recognize quality and rigor outside of U.S. borders. It's common and it's one of the reasons that Canadians have a love/hate relationship with Americans more broadly.
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McGill
Jan 13, 2014 14:19:01 GMT -5
Post by canuck2 on Jan 13, 2014 14:19:01 GMT -5
I was also surprised when I saw this person's cv. I'm sure a top 40 dept like McGil couldn't have hired somebody with this profile before the 2008 recession. At the same time, I am at a top dept conducting multilple hires and only about half of candidates have this kind of resume. There were actually some candidates that had no pubs at all but that were invited because their dissertations seemed interesting. So the level of competition has certainly increased but there's still some variance even at the top. McGill would only be Top-40 by U.S. standards? Ha! McGill doesn't get ranked by US News, ASA or any other U.S. organization for obvious reasons, so there's no direct comparison for sociology or any other field. I haven't checked the world university rankings in a while, but I remember seeing McGill in the top 25 universities in the WORLD overall a few years ago. So, to say that it wouldn't be Top-40 among U.S. universities for sociology, while possible, is extremely unlikely. What's more likely is that we're once again seeing the insular perspectives inculcated within U.S. universities reveal themselves on this board, and the inability to recognize quality and rigor outside of U.S. borders. It's common and it's one of the reasons that Canadians have a love/hate relationship with Americans more broadly. I am another Canadian, and think your posts are generally idiotic (excellent grad students at Memorial?). Global and disciplinary status for universities are not the same thing. Also, just because you *think* you remembered some arbitrary ranking putting McGill in the Top 25 in the world (fairly dubious, given the post-secondary funding rates in Quebec) doesn't make it reliable evidence. This recent poll, while imperfect like all rankings, puts McGill around 42nd among sociology departments. orgtheory.wordpress.com/2013/03/25/sociology-department-rankings-for-2013/So, I guess that "extremely unlikely" scenario is probably a reality. Comparing McGill to the schools around it - CUNY, UBC, Virginia, I'd argue it was placed just about right in this survey.
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McGill
Jan 13, 2014 14:51:10 GMT -5
Post by canuck3 on Jan 13, 2014 14:51:10 GMT -5
McGill would only be Top-40 by U.S. standards? Ha! McGill doesn't get ranked by US News, ASA or any other U.S. organization for obvious reasons, so there's no direct comparison for sociology or any other field. I haven't checked the world university rankings in a while, but I remember seeing McGill in the top 25 universities in the WORLD overall a few years ago. So, to say that it wouldn't be Top-40 among U.S. universities for sociology, while possible, is extremely unlikely. What's more likely is that we're once again seeing the insular perspectives inculcated within U.S. universities reveal themselves on this board, and the inability to recognize quality and rigor outside of U.S. borders. It's common and it's one of the reasons that Canadians have a love/hate relationship with Americans more broadly. I am another Canadian, and think your posts are generally idiotic (excellent grad students at Memorial?). Global and disciplinary status for universities are not the same thing. Also, just because you *think* you remembered some arbitrary ranking putting McGill in the Top 25 in the world (fairly dubious, given the post-secondary funding rates in Quebec) doesn't make it reliable evidence. This recent poll, while imperfect like all rankings, puts McGill around 42nd among sociology departments. orgtheory.wordpress.com/2013/03/25/sociology-department-rankings-for-2013/So, I guess that "extremely unlikely" scenario is probably a reality. Comparing McGill to the schools around it - CUNY, UBC, Virginia, I'd argue it was placed just about right in this survey. Nobody invite this one out for a drink after work!
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McGill
Jan 13, 2014 14:56:18 GMT -5
Post by just stop on Jan 13, 2014 14:56:18 GMT -5
McGill is a great job, and Poulami and Thomas are both excellent candidates. Congrats to both, and congrats to the McGill sociology department on these wonderful hires.
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McGill
Jan 13, 2014 15:27:44 GMT -5
Post by slow clap on Jan 13, 2014 15:27:44 GMT -5
yeah, i think we're trolling proboards into the ground ... stop the madness, everyone.
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McGill
Jan 13, 2014 15:49:33 GMT -5
Post by canuck on Jan 13, 2014 15:49:33 GMT -5
I am another Canadian, and think your posts are generally idiotic (excellent grad students at Memorial?). Global and disciplinary status for universities are not the same thing. Also, just because you *think* you remembered some arbitrary ranking putting McGill in the Top 25 in the world (fairly dubious, given the post-secondary funding rates in Quebec) doesn't make it reliable evidence. This recent poll, while imperfect like all rankings, puts McGill around 42nd among sociology departments. orgtheory.wordpress.com/2013/03/25/sociology-department-rankings-for-2013/So, I guess that "extremely unlikely" scenario is probably a reality. Comparing McGill to the schools around it - CUNY, UBC, Virginia, I'd argue it was placed just about right in this survey. Nobody invite this one out for a drink after work!Yes, American friends, there are a**holes North of the border as well. canuck3: Multiple people post on here under the name "canuck." Don't assume it's just one person. I've posted here under other names, and I've noticed other people using the name "canuck,"as well. That said, it's pretty lowly to publicly malign Memorial students.
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McGill
Jan 13, 2014 15:57:02 GMT -5
Post by ElDuderino on Jan 13, 2014 15:57:02 GMT -5
If you would like to discuss the ins and outs of Canadian institutions, please take it to another thread. This is the "hires" subforum.
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McGill
Jan 13, 2014 16:15:10 GMT -5
Post by Canuck*3* on Jan 13, 2014 16:15:10 GMT -5
Yes, American friends, there are a**holes North of the border as well. canuck3: Multiple people post on here under the name "canuck." Don't assume it's just one person. I've posted here under other names, and I've noticed other people using the name "canuck,"as well. That said, it's pretty lowly to publicly malign Memorial students. Hey! You mean Canuck-2! I didn't do nothin' ...
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McGill
Jan 14, 2014 6:06:08 GMT -5
Post by zoink on Jan 14, 2014 6:06:08 GMT -5
This thread has become canfucked...zing.
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McGill
Jan 14, 2014 10:16:47 GMT -5
Post by Yuck Yuck Yuck on Jan 14, 2014 10:16:47 GMT -5
Blame Canada! With their hockey hullabaloo, and that bitch Anne Murray too!
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McGill
Jan 15, 2014 4:05:23 GMT -5
Post by And ... on Jan 15, 2014 4:05:23 GMT -5
Their crack-smoking mayors!!!
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McGill
Jan 15, 2014 10:25:43 GMT -5
Post by oops on Jan 15, 2014 10:25:43 GMT -5
That's Toronto, sorry.
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