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Post by wonderer on Nov 4, 2014 13:54:34 GMT -5
It seems like SJMR has emerged this year as a primary source of job market information. A few months ago most people didn't know what SJMR was. Now people are flocking the site looking for job market information and rumors.
In addition, their open discussions about everything related to sociology appear to be attracting a critical mass of users including grad students, professors, and non-sociologists. In contrast, most sociological discussion has dried up in this site.
Some have issues with the unrestrained, less pc tone of average SJMR users. The never-ending trolling about race may keep some users away from the site. Nevertheless, this edginess may be working to their advantage in the long run as people identify SJMR as the place where people "talk real" and posts are less censored than in SJMF.
Does this mean that the days of SJMF numbered? Can we make a larger inference about the long term viability of tightly controlled arenas of public discussion vs. more unregulated ones? Are the later ones more likely to survive in the long run? If SJMR continues to grow and its population diversifies, will SJMR' mods be able to maintain a tight balance between freedom of speech and respect or will SJMR be a victim of its own success?
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Post by ha on Nov 4, 2014 14:07:24 GMT -5
A few months ago? SJMR has been around for over a year and even folks who like to troll there admit that there is better info on jobs here. It seems like most people have understood the difference between the sites: want to post about how a minority or woman got a job you totally should have had, you go over there. You actually want information about jobs, you can do it here.
But hey, I am sure THIS is the thinly veiled attempt to promote your cesspool of racism that will really work and make people abandon this site.
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Post by no on Nov 4, 2014 14:24:16 GMT -5
SJMR is not "less pc," it's a cesspit of misogyny and racism. Every thread about something interesting devolves into stupid trolling. I hate read it every once in a while, but it's never given me any useful information.
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Post by huh? on Nov 4, 2014 14:54:25 GMT -5
Cesspool of racism? What is this person talking about? There's only one race troll, who apparently comes from EJMR, but he's now consistently modded in this site.
It's time to put those stereotypes to rest. As an empirical researcher, you should go to SJMR and find out for yourself.
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Post by holy smokes, no on Nov 4, 2014 16:30:19 GMT -5
Cesspool of racism? What is this person talking about? There's only one race troll, who apparently comes from EJMR, but he's now consistently modded in this site. It's time to put those stereotypes to rest. As an empirical researcher, you should go to SJMR and find out for yourself. Then: A disgusting, filthy cesspool of racism and sexism. I want to take a shower after I read it. Now: Still a disgusting, filthy cesspool of racism and sexism. But modded, so it's not quite as bad. I still want to take a shower after I read it, but the shower isn't as long. (The more charitable interpretation is that it is an endless stream of personal attacks on other people, particularly minority scholars and women. This is interspersed with occasional sexist and racist comments.) In the end, this site will be the place people go to for job information because of how it is laid out. The job information threads are always the first thing you see when you enter the website. In fact, there was a discusson on SJMR the other day about how all of the stuff there is lifted from over here, and that isn't going to change as long as it's set up that way over there, with any recent job rumors getting buried under other threads. On the flip side, the SJMR setup always has the most recent thread first. This helps promote more open discussions about sociology or the market in general. That set up is much better for open-form discussions because the free-form discussions are always at the bottom here. That said, I still only post over here. It seems like everyone posting on the other board is a 2nd year grad student; there seems to be much more participation from people who have been on search committees over here (and so I find this board a lot more useful). |
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Post by GPTrollman on Nov 4, 2014 17:20:42 GMT -5
SJMR has more honesty, plus it names names. It has more information than this site. Anybody who claims it's racist or sexist based on a few econ trolls is looking for an excuse to bash it.
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Post by sockpuppet on Nov 4, 2014 18:55:17 GMT -5
No thanks
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Post by just, no on Nov 4, 2014 18:55:40 GMT -5
SJMR has more honesty, plus it names names. Naming names is part of the problem. It's not about exchanging information. It's about going after people and/or things. By "honest", you must either mean a) that people are more welcome to express sexist and racist views, and b) that people are more comfortable talking about things and people they hate. Either way, what you call "honesty" I call "a beacon for jerks." SJMR's rep is well deserved, and there's a reason why people are not comfortable openly stating that they visit the site IRL. |
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Post by GPTrollman on Nov 4, 2014 19:06:13 GMT -5
SJMR has more honesty, plus it names names. Naming names is part of the problem. It's not about exchanging information. It's about going after people and/or things. By "honest", you must either mean a) that people are more welcome to express sexist and racist views, and b) that people are more comfortable talking about things and people they hate. Either way, what you call "honesty" I call "a beacon for jerks." SJMR's rep is well deserved, and there's a reason why people are not comfortable openly stating that they visit the site IRL. Fabio Rojas, Shamus Khan (overrated) and Dan Hirschman have openly admitted visiting SJMR. It's not like lots of people admit posting here either. Anything racist or sexist gets modded on SJMR now anyways. |
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Post by styles on Nov 4, 2014 20:04:23 GMT -5
If you are going to out, list or discuss a specific person then list your fucking name. Otherwise grow up and shut the fuck up.
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Post by amen on Nov 4, 2014 22:42:46 GMT -5
If you are going to out, list or discuss a specific person then list your fucking name. Otherwise grow up and shut the fuck up. oh my god, yes. sjmr is the soiled sandbox of jaded second year MA students. gptrollman et al are complete tools and your self-important transparency crusade doesn't help marginal candidates out there get jobs, it only stands to hurt those who are interviewing. |
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Post by yes on Nov 4, 2014 23:03:46 GMT -5
If you are going to out, list or discuss a specific person then list your fucking name. Otherwise grow up and shut the fuck up. I completely agree. Those preaching listing names should also include their own with all of their posts. We should practice what we preach, yes? Furthermore, making personal comments about specific people, especially those on the job market and not yet tenured, is unacceptable. Overall, I find SJMR a strange, depraved place cluttered by utter weirdos who suffer from self-esteem issues. |
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Post by ugh on Nov 5, 2014 7:33:14 GMT -5
"Overall, I find SJMR a strange, depraved place cluttered by utter weirdos who suffer from self-esteem issues."
+1
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Post by justjealous on Nov 5, 2014 8:58:11 GMT -5
You guys are just jealous you get overmodded here.
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Post by Sjmrusrs?srsly? on Dec 16, 2014 11:18:18 GMT -5
SJMR is mostly white men complaining about the "white man's burden." The only respectable people over there are the people who are trolling the regulars.
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